Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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I often find Muslims puzzled & confused by this subject, but there's really no reason. The way I understood:

Qadr Allah= devine fore-ordainment. Its also one of the pillars of faith in Islam.

Does this then mean that all our actions, decions and choices have already been decided for us? No, it simply means that the choices that humans make are all within Allah's knowledge and that nothing ever happens without Allah's knowledge & persmission. We've already made our choices and decisions, it was written and we are merely acting it out with Allah's full knowledge & permission, nothing more, nothing less. Everything has already been written in "lauh al-mahfudh" i.e. preserved tablet. Meanining, a person's action is not caused by what is written in the Preserved Tablet but, rather, the action is written in the Preserved Tablet because God already knows all occurrences without the restrictions of time. Because the concept of time & space does not apply to Allah, since he created these concepts too. Allah already saw all that we did, what would become of us and where we would end up, then it was recorded. As I write this, both past, present and future are all happening at the same time, people have already been born, died, resurrected and gone either to hell or heaven.

I blieve Harun Yahya put it best in his lecture called "Timelessness & the Reality of fate":

http://www2.aswatalislam.net/FilesList. ... ize&SD=Dsc

My 2 cents, feel free to comment.
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Re: Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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This concept of Qadar Allaah has often puzzled me as well. But judging it psychologically-- i would -YES we do have 'free will' as Humans, and yes everything we do has pre-destined by ALLAH. The trick is to pause -and say--what then? Our actions are futile? Useless? No, it is not. IN Quran u will notice ''Al-Niyaat is highly valued. Sometimes sins of Niyaat is dangerous and serious as same sin but of its action.Therefore, by this inference we should deduce that---We do have a 'theoritical' will but not a 'practical' will. IN the court of Allaah...we will be judged by our niyaat and not our actions. For example--if u plan to pay zakaat--and u begrudge doing so, meaning u r NOT happy doing so-but end up doing it any where--it is not worth anything. The action of giving the zakaat was already pre-destine to happen. U gave the zakaat away to someone who needed it and someone whose alaaf it was to receive. However in the court of Allaah, your zakaat has no value as your Niyaat was NOT Saafi. :|
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Re: Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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NobleSavage wrote:I often find Muslims puzzled & confused by this subject, but there's really no reason. The way I understood:

Qadr Allah= devine fore-ordainment. Its also one of the pillars of faith in Islam.

Does this then mean that all our actions, decions and choices have already been decided for us? No, it simply means that the choices that humans make are all within Allah's knowledge and that nothing ever happens without Allah's knowledge & persmission. We've already made our choices and decisions, it was written and we are merely acting it out with Allah's full knowledge & permission, nothing more, nothing less. Everything has already been written in "lauh al-mahfudh" i.e. preserved tablet. Meanining, a person's action is not caused by what is written in the Preserved Tablet but, rather, the action is written in the Preserved Tablet because God already knows all occurrences without the restrictions of time. Because the concept of time & space does not apply to Allah, since he created these concepts too. Allah already saw all that we did, what would become of us and where we would end up, then it was recorded. As I write this, both past, present and future are all happening at the same time, people have already been born, died, resurrected and gone either to hell or heaven.

I blieve Harun Yahya put it best in his lecture called "Timelessness & the Reality of fate":

http://www2.aswatalislam.net/FilesList. ... ize&SD=Dsc

My 2 cents, feel free to comment.
Yeah, this puzzeled me like three years ago my freshman year when I was in Philosophy class but that lecture really cleared things up
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Re: Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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Fah,

What philosophy class was it?

I remember Imaam Siraj Wahaaj talking about this particular issue and how its Shirk to pin every bad thing that happens to people on Allah by saying its "Qadr-Allah". Nothing bad ever comes from Allah, only good, that's a Bukhari hadith.

We make our choices and they happen with Allah's knowledge & permission, that's what Qadar means. This is basic Tawheed stuff, period.
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Re: Concept of predistination & free-will in Islam.

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:o Interesting. So u took Philosophy class Fah? :o :lol: I always knew u were an athiest. :clap: U and NobleSavage aka Former Galol aka Sanba. :clap:
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