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why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in quran

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its known that salafi/wahabis or even mine sunni scholars claime there are missing verses in the quran, forexample
saudi salafis(wahhabis) claime that there was RAJM verse whichs missing quran we know today, and adult breastfeeding verse is missing too.
but we all known that quran is complete and there is no missing verses becouse allah in the last verse of the quran said
"This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam." (Quran, Surah [5:3])

for me this verse is the prove quran is complete and there is no rajm ayah missing or adultbreatfeeding ayah ,
i believe those SUNNI wahabi qaasatan scholars who says there are verses missing are wrong, they are trying to corrupt quran like chrtistians corrupted the original bibel.

waxaa la yaab leh SUNNIS accuse that shias claime that quran is incompelete but at some time SALAFIS/WAHABIS say there are missing verses in quran.
sheekhyada yiraahda quraanka ma dhameeystirna waxay cadeyn u soo qaataan SAXIIX BUKHAARI which claimes there a re lot of missing verses in quran.
Bukhari and Muslim hadiith claim


1. Verse on “Rajm” Stoning to Death – Missing from the Quran


2. Verses Equal to the Length of Surah Bara’ah (Thauba – chapter 9) -129 Ayaths Missing from the Quran.


3. adult breastfeeding verse missing in quran(its in bukhari and muslim books)
ok the question of this tread is do you agreee sacuudi scholars that quran is incomplete whichs clearly against what allah said in last verse of quran
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as your religion Islam
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Re: why some wahabis believe there are missing verses in qur

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This is a first for me. Just like the verse you quoted shows, there is nothing incomplete about the Quran.
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Re: why some wahabis believe there are missing verses in qur

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Kukri wrote:This is a first for me. Just like the verse you quoted shows, there is nothing incomplete about the Quran.
salafis claime there was RAJM VERSE(stoning for adultry) whichs missing qurans today but they say that rajm verse was revealed to the prophet scw and some how it get lost and did not come in the quran we known today.

the evidence they have is hadiith wich says omar bin khadaa(rc) said there was rajm verse and read it and i saw it, but that ayah did dot made it in the quran)
thats hadiith which was wroted 300 years after prohets died scw.
even other hadiiths from bukhaari and muslim claime that there were lost verse about adult breastfeeding which was revealed from allah and its not in the quran.
you known all of this is against again what allah said whichs quran is complete and quran does not need hadiith to say there are missing verses.

walaahi haddii aad beenteey moodo dhageyso SH UMUL tafsiirkiisa suuratul nuur about rajm he said there was missing ayah which allah says stone people.

marka this salafi wahabi are trying like bibel was corrupted before to corrupt quran.
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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This is above your capacity ee iska naso

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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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Dr Yalaxoow you mean these ahadeeth?

Aisha(ra) narrates:
"When the verse of stoning and verse of suckling descended, they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S) a goat ate the piece of paper whilst we were mourning."
Online Sunan Ibn Majah [Arabic], Book of Suckling, Hadith No. 2020

Umar said, 'By Allah, I shall do so the first time I stand (to address the people) in Medina.' When we reached Medina, `Umar (in a Friday Khutba-sermon) said, "No doubt, Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed to him the Book (Qur'an), and among what was revealed, was the Verse of Ar-Rajm (stoning adulterers to death).'" (See Hadith No. 817,Vol. 8) {Sahih Bukhari }
source: http://www.theonlyquran.com/hadith/Sahi ... hadith=423


These narrations have left me scratching my head first time i read it, how can they be 'sahiih' ?
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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Subhananllah,do they realy believe this
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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I agree with abdallah, what a waste of time. For me the Scholars of Ahlul Sunnah Wa'l Jamaca that have isnaad of knowledge leading to the prophet (as) is enough for me.
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Dr yax, there is things you debate and joke about and there is things you dont. Please refrain from such ridiculous lies. Seriously walahi the stuff you come out with is a bannable offence. I dont know why you are misguiding people for your own personal satisfaction. There is no need to even refute you, as I have nevr heard such absurd lies.

No muslim upon the sunnah has ever claimed the quran was incomplete, subxanllah this is the belief of misguided shia of some extermes sects.

Secondly please understand that calling any group of people wahabi is a sin. Firstly noone has claimed this name, secondly that is one of the attributes of Allah swt that you are attributing to a group of people, therefore the ulema have all agreed this is a sin.
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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What do you guys of those ahadeeth? they do exist don't they? one of the ones I posted is to be found in Sahih Bukhari.I gave a source also where u can find the hadeeth.
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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Many hadiths r not sahih!(90 %according to some)
I have heard more shocking hadiths.

First thing to do when confronted to such hadiths is checking their authenticity.

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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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I've heard of Shiicas believing that 2/3 of the Quran was missing but to say Salafis and Wahhabis believe this aswell is just absurd. :lol: :lol:
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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I didnt hear this maan magliin ruunti.
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Re: why salafi/wahabis believe there are missing verses in q

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Yalaxow is nothing but a sheytaan who is trying to give suspicions to people regarding their religion.

Quran is perfect and after Prophet SCWS no one can add or take anything from it and whoever says something different disbelieves in Quran and Islam because Allah says He will protect it.

It is well known that during those 22 years that Qur´an was revealed to Prophet SCWS some ayat were later on abrogated by Allah and some of them are still in Qur´an while some others were removed completely. Allah says: "Such of Our revelations as we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?"[2:106]


The ayah of stoning adulterers was abrogated, but eventhough the ayah was removed it´s hukm was left intact and didn´t change, because Prophet SCWS continued doing it and also his sahaba after him.

Here is a question about those hadiiths in Arabic (sorry no English):

http://www.islamqa.com/ar/ref/111382
لم ينفرد عمر بن الخطاب بمعرفة آية الرجم

في صحيح البخاري في باب الأحكام أن عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال : (لولا أن يقول الناس عن آية الرجم لكتبتها بيدي) لماذا لا يعلم هذه الآية سوى عمر ؟ وكيف نحاجج من يسأل ذلك ؟

الحمد لله
أولا :
روى البخاري (6830) ومسلم (1691) عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما أن عمر بن الخطاب صعد المنبر فخطب الجمعة ، وكان مما قال رضي الله عنه فقال : (إِنَّ اللَّهَ بَعَثَ مُحَمَّدًا صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِالْحَقِّ ، وَأَنْزَلَ عَلَيْهِ الْكِتَابَ ، فَكَانَ مِمَّا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ آيَةُ الرَّجْمِ ، فَقَرَأْنَاهَا ، وَعَقَلْنَاهَا ، وَوَعَيْنَاهَا ، رَجَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَرَجَمْنَا بَعْدَهُ ، فَأَخْشَى إِنْ طَالَ بِالنَّاسِ زَمَانٌ أَنْ يَقُولَ قَائِلٌ : وَاللَّهِ مَا نَجِدُ آيَةَ الرَّجْمِ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ ، فَيَضِلُّوا بِتَرْكِ فَرِيضَةٍ أَنْزَلَهَا اللَّهُ ، وَالرَّجْمُ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ حَقٌّ عَلَى مَنْ زَنَى إِذَا أُحْصِنَ مِنْ الرِّجَالِ وَالنِّسَاءِ ، إِذَا قَامَتْ الْبَيِّنَةُ ، أَوْ كَانَ الْحَبَلُ ، أَوْ الِاعْتِرَافُ) . زاد أبو داود (4418) : (وَايْمُ اللَّهِ ، لَوْلَا أَنْ يَقُولَ النَّاسُ : زَادَ عُمَرُ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ، لَكَتَبْتُهَا) وصححه الألباني في صحيح أبي داود .
هذا الحديث رواه البخاري في صحيحه في عدة مواضع : (6829) و(6830) في كتاب الحدود . و(7626) في كتاب الاعتصام بالكتاب والسنة ، وليس فيها اللفظ الوارد في السؤال (لولا أن يقول الناس.......إلخ) .
وقد ذكرها البخاري في كتاب الأحكام معلقة ، بلا إسناد : قال عمر : لولا أن يقول الناس زاد عمر في كتاب الله لكتبت آية الرجم بيدي .
ومثل هذا لا يقال فيه : رواه البخاري في صحيحه ، إلا أن يقال مع ذلك : إنه رواه معلقاً ، فيقال : رواه البخاري معلقاً .
وقد رواها أبو داود موصولةً وصححه الألباني كما سبق .
ثانياً :
يجاب على من يسألون: لماذا لم يعلم هذه الآية سوى عمر ؟
بأن يقال : لم ينفرد عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه بمعرفة هذه الآية ، فقد ورد عن جماعة من الصحابة إثباتها .
روى ابن ماجه (1944) عن عائشة رضي الله عنها قالت : (لقد نزلت آية الرجم ، وكانت في صحيفة تحت سريري) وحسنه الألباني في صحيح ابن ماجه .
وروى الإمام أحمد (1214) عن علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه إثباتها ، غير أن إسناده ضعيف .
وذكر الحافظ في "فتح الباري" أنه ورد إثبات هذه الآية عن أبي بن كعب وزيد بن ثابت رضي الله عنهما .
وقد أثبت عمر رضي الله عنه هذه الآية على المنبر في خطبة الجمعة ، وكان حاضراً في تلك الخطبة علماء الصحابة وفقهاؤهم وكبراؤهم ، وأقروه على إثبات هذه الآية ، ولم ينكر عليه أحد منهم ، فكيف يقال بعد ذلك : إنها لم يعلمها غير عمر ؟!
ثالثاً :
آية الرجم مما يذكره العلماء في "أصول الفقه" من مبحث "النسخ" أنها مما نسخ لفظه وبقي حكمه ، فلم تَعُدْ أية من القرآن الكريم ، ولكن حكمها باقٍ لم ينسخ ، ولعل هذا هو السبب الذي جعل عمر رضي الله عنه لا يكتبها في المصحف ، لأنها لما نسخت تلاوتها لم تَعُدْ من القرآن فلا يجوز أن تكتب فيه .
وانظر : "المنتقي شرح الموطأ" حديث رقم (1560) .

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And here´s something about naskh (abrogation):
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the World; and may His blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.

al-Naskh, i.e. abrogation or repeal, has two meanings in Arabic: (1) transformation and shifting from one place to another, and (2) cancellation and repeal.
In technical terms, al-Naskh means to cancel and abrogate some fixed Shari'a rulings and to replace them with new rulings and orders.
al-Naskh can be in the Holy Qur'an and the Noble Sunnah. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. …}[2: 106]. He also Says: {And when We change a Verse [of the Qur'ân, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allâh knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: "You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)." Nay, but most of them know not. Say (O Muhammad SAW) Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] has brought it (the Qur'an) down from your Lord with truth, that it may make firm and strengthen (the Faith of) those who believe and as a guidance and glad tidings to those who have submitted (to Allâh as Muslims).} [16: 101-102].
As for al-Naskh in the Qur'an, it can be in any of the following modes:
1) To cancel a ruling and keep the text for reading (preference). Such as: (1) the verse of the will on behalf relatives [2: 180], (2) Surah al-Baqarah: 240, and (3) the verse of easing the task of fighting [8: 65].
2) To cancel a ruling and the text as well, like: ( "It was among the recitation (of the Qur'an): ten known times of suckling. This was about ruling of a child's suckling" [Reported by Imams al-Bukhari and Muslim ]).
3) To cancel only the text not the ruling, such as the verse concerning stoning the married one who commits Zina. It was as fallows: The married man and the married woman should be stoned if they commit Zina.
al-Naskh is only related to orders and prohibitions not the tidings.
As for number of al-Naskh, al-Suyuti in his book al-Itqaan said that, 'twenty-one verses in the Qur'an were abrogated; some were agreed upon, while others are not. These abrogated verses are in the following Surahs: Al-Baqarah, Al-'Imran, An-Nisa', Al-Ma'idah, Al-Anfal, At-Taubah, An-Nur, Al-Ahzab, Al-Mujadilah, Al-Mumtahinah and Al-Muzzammil.
As for wisdom behind al-Naskh, scholars of Islam said: 'change is the nature of existence and beings and abrogation is one of the Divine ways to address these changes. If al-Naskh is reasonable to apply to beings, then it should not be considered as strange concerning rulings about them since the Ummah is still developing and advancing towards what is better. In addition, Allah is Able to do everything and He is the Only Owner of this universe and He can do what He Wills. {He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned.} [21: 23].
Thus, al-Naskh constitutes a step towards what is better and superior. Al-Naskh is often a means of bringing ease and relief, since Muslims were required to follow what is higher, stronger and better in the first stage of education and building the Ummah. Thus, it was obligatory to perform Qiyam al-Lail (prayer at night) or that 20 Muslims were to face 200 of the enemy.
Then, al-Naskh of those rulings constituted a form of relief, of soothing, and cancellation of hardship. Another wisdom behind al-Naskh is to bring obedience to the Divine Orders.
Here, we state that abrogated rulings should not be put into practice, since they were revealed for some fixed period of time. For example, it is not allowed to put a doer of Zina in jail since such a ruling was abrogated. Another example is that it is not allowed for a woman whose husband has died to enter into Iddah (awaiting period) as stated in Surah 2: verse 240 since it is abrogated by verse 2. 234.
Finally, al-Naskh was done only by revelation and completed during the life of Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), it is completely incorrect to be done by consensus or analogy.
Allah knows best.
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This is the ayat which its recitation was abrogated but not its ruling.

Also that hadith is infact evidence against those who says there is no stoning in islam and against the christians that accuse noble quran not being complete.
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Salahuddiin wrote: It is well known that during those 22 years that Qur´an was revealed to Prophet SCWS some ayat were later on abrogated by Allah and some of them are still in Qur´an while some others were removed completely. Allah says: "Such of Our revelations as we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?"[2:106]


The ayah of stoning adulterers was abrogated, but eventhough the ayah was removed it´s hukm was left intact and didn´t change, because Prophet SCWS continued doing it and also his sahaba after him.

Here is a question about those hadiiths in Arabic (sorry no English):

http://www.islamqa.com/ar/ref/111382

all abrogated verses are still in the quran but this alleged AYAH which you claim was in the quran(rajm) where is that ayah? WHY ITS NOT IN THE QURAN EVEN IF ITS ABROGATED???sxb, if you claim there was RAJM ayah which Was revealed by allah to rasuul scw and did not made in quran, thats means quran is incompelete, and if you claim quran is incomplete then thats clear KUFR becouse, ALLAH SAID IN QURAN, QURAN IS WAA DHAMEEYSTIRAN YAHAY 100%.

not only RAJM ayah which BUKHAARI AND MUSLIM claim is missing also adult breasfeeding ayah is MISSING THATS SAXIIX HADIITH ON muslim.

waryaaa sheeydaaaan tell me why you claim there was RAJM VERSE when there is no one i quran??

all ABROGATED AYAH ARE ALREADY IN QURAN, there is no forgetten outside VERSE which was abrogated like on you claime about RAJM. UNDERSTAND.
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