It stinks

[gurey25]

it sucks bieng chained to a corpse...

and the corpse is begining to stink!!

when will the international bodies allows us to cut the chains?
when the corpse is nothing but a skeleton?


by then we will be used to carrying it around with us, and it will be considerably lighter and easier

hell we are already getting used to it..

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Go to Xamar and do it yourself, whining doesn't get shit done. Otherwise I can't see the situation changing for you guys.

I don't know what independence model Somaliland is pursuing but everyone goes to the capital of their mother-nation in order to get independence, its called a referendum FYI. Eritreans went to Addis Ababa, Kosovars went to Belgrade, Dinkas are in Khartoum as I type, even the Kurds are now playing their cards in Baghdad. A lot of these groups fought for decades for a chance to get their voice heard in the capital but Somalilanders have an open shot in lawless Mogadishu since the TFG can so easily be bribed, literally no one is blocking you guys but you're f-king acting brain dead.

If you can't grasp this elementary concept of diplomacy then you guys qualify as the world's dumbest people -- either that or you really don't want recognition and this is all just a 24/hour party for you guys. Take this advice and go somewhere with it because its the only truth.

[Aguardiente]

lol@gurey25 sxb after reading the first line I was afraid you may say something else...........
Do take care bro. Cheers

[Somalian_Boqor]

[gurey25]

Go to Xamar and do it yourself, whining doesn't get shit done. Otherwise I can't see the situation changing for you guys.

I don't know what independence model Somaliland is pursuing but everyone goes to the capital of their mother-nation in order to get independence, its called a referendum FYI. Eritreans went to Addis Ababa, Kosovars went to Belgrade, Dinkas are in Khartoum as I type, even the Kurds are now playing their cards in Baghdad. A lot of these groups fought for decades for a chance to get their voice heard in the capital but Somalilanders have an open shot in lawless Mogadishu since the TFG can so easily be bribed, literally no one is blocking you guys but you're f-king acting brain dead.

If you can't grasp this elementary concept of diplomacy then you guys qualify as the world's dumbest people -- either that or you really don't want recognition and this is all just a 24/hour party for you guys. Take this advice and go somewhere with it because its the only truth.

Thats the root of the problem..
somalia is a corpse its dead, there is no one to bribe.
The TFg is so utterly useless that bribing it and making them sign away somalilands sucession
will not work, beuase they are not in power..

I wish that the TFG was a funtioning body that manages to even govern moqadishu..
Shiekh sharif is not even the mayor of moqadishu the whay hamid kharzai is the mayor od Kabul.

Hamid kharzai controls kabul fully and has influence over the northern reagions and herat,
this is alone makes him more legitimate that the TFG.
What do they control?

a few hundred sqaure feet?


Do you understand why i am saying its a corpse, when the mayor of bossaso controls more men and land and resources than the so called TFG.
Its ridiculous.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

HOW is that a bad thing? That's a GREAT thing. The TFG can control a sandbox for all that matters but it IS legitimate - and that's actually GOOD for you guys.

You think if Somalia had a strong functioning government you'd stand a chance in hell of getting recognition? Aside from the chance of a military incursion, most Somalilanders would just accept the administration in Xamar if the TFG was actually useful, Somaliland's entire purpose to secede as a peaceful region would disappear. Every day you stall in your efforts to secede you are losing legitimacy due to the rise of peaceful & functional region-states across Somalia and pretty soon you will just be a federal territory among many other peaceful federal clan/regional-states -- time is not on your side so listen carefully.

The TFG president IS the legitimate president of Somalia and the TFG prime minister IS the legitimate prime minister of Somalia for all purposes. Don't let its physical illegitimacy fool you about its actual, legal legitimacy. You can study this if you want, that's how things work today. No one can block the TFG leadership & parliament if they vote to let Somaliland secede. Once Somalia recognizes Somaliland, everyone else will fall in line.

Anyway, if you can't accept this reality, tell me about your fantasy vision. how will Somaliland gain independence? I can't imagine your protests in 10 Downing Street have been successful.

[gurey25]

You think its never been thought of?
I am not dismissing the idea but saying that it needs to be modified to become realistic.

first of all you cannot bribe the top leadership, shiekh sharif is already a millionaire and is getting paid as we speak,
sacks of gold will not make him recognize somaliland, why should he?

The 500 parlaimentarians are a bunch of prostititutes with the biggest and most desperate ones bieng the
isaaq ones(dir woqoyi).Bribing them is easy, they will willingly agree to be gangbanged my some ugandans for $50,000 a head.
The problem is that they dont have the power to push through anything.

The primeminister has just sat down next to the giant breasts of overflowing milk that is the international aid doners
and he will start getting paid, so why would he be interested in another tit?


You are actually right, somaliland is bieng foolish, there is no recognition comming, anybody with half a brain can see that.
Recognition is taken and is not given (unless it fits into the major powers agenda like bosnia for example).

There is only one solution and this has a narrow avenue of success.
Somaliland should get into the southern quagmire fully.

Somaliland should support the development of an anti-alshabaab alliance in the regions.
The anti-alshabab forces are successfully defending thier turf and giving the alshabab a black eye but they lack the resources to go on the offensive.

Somaliland has 20,000 underutilized troops that are getting a salary for doing little, they are not allowed to go into sool
becuase it will alienate the Dhulos that we are wooing into marriage.( you dont kill your future bride to be if she refuses your overtures, but continue to woo her )

The US can provide the funds, needed for ammo and food and transport, somaliland the troops.

The formation of a new TFG is the next step, with this hopefully last conference held in Hargiesa or Burco.
The new TFG will agree to the secession of Somaliland officially..


I dont see any other way........

unless the chinese or Ophir oil discover billions of easily expolitable oil tommorrow, then
recognition is gained overnight.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

You are now starting to see some enlightenment, I don't know why you and the other million or so Somalilanders are so stubborn when it comes to logical politics. Sometimes you have to trade in your dream in order to actually live a little.

We are getting somewhere - You acknowledge that Somaliland's only option is to throw itself into the mix. Somalilanders are realizing that their traditional backward-think on Somali politics is untrue; the myth you guys once held and still do is that you have to ignore Somalia and pretend to be independent and others will be convinced too; but the reality we know today is that you have to be relevant in the politics of your country (Somalia ding! ding!) in order to be relevant to the world...otherwise who really knows what the fuck Somaliland is besides a few liberal British thinkers - you guys aren't even on the radar of rebels or breakaway states a la Kurdistan, Tibet, or EVEN Ogadenia.

Now that the background of the past is moved from, its your job to spread this knowledge to your peers. It will take another 20 years to cultivate this politically aware mindset in the people of Somaliland, unfortunately in 20 years time economic pressures will force the world to look at Somalia for natural resources and a strong puppet government will be propped up and your little bubble in Waqoyi will be popped. Act now or forever remain a maamul goboleed.

[gurey25]

Its not stubborness my friend,

its just that for the past 8 years somaliland has been a ship without a captain...
There was absolutley no foriegn policy at all....

The Obama administration has told siilanyo clearly that there will be NO RECOGNITION as an independant state for the foreseable future, but it will be considered an autonomous entitiy linked to Somalia, like Taiwan is part of china...

This is something to be digested.....

It means that the somaliland government has no choice but to enter southern politics and ensure thier interests
no more ostrich tactics like burying head in the sand..

[LobsterUnit]

[BlackVelvet]

Corpses are good fertilizers although being chained to one would be uncomfortable.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey,

Abdirahman Tuur (AUN) saw the light after committing the error of secessionism. He missed the golden opportunity to set up Hargeisa as the 'temporary' seat of power for Somalia while Mogadishu was in conflict. As one half of the union, the Ex-British Somaliland would have been able to make a more forceful case than secessionism.

[RuralMan08]

Monk of Mogaidshu is SPOT ON.

One thing Ive never understood is that the TFG can be easily be bribed into holding a fake referendum determining the independence of Somaliland once and for all. The problem is that Somaliland doesnt want NOTHING to do with Somalia and thus it is shooting itself in the foot because the recognition and independence can only come from Mogadishu legally speaking. No country can be free without a referendum i.e South Sudan, East Timor etc.

[udun]

Oh look at the Reer Iidle kid, looks like reality is setting in 20,000 troops kulahaa. War yaad been u sheegaysaan ma idinkaa 20,000 askari haysta

Btw, if Obama Administration told you that you are going to be treated like Taiwan in Somalia, that is even worse situation than SL it is today. The West will only use the SL card when they can't get what they want from a strong Somali state (inshallah in the near future) but they don't have your interest at heart. You just need to accept who you are and that is you are Somalis like the rest of the Somalis, abandon this secessionist project, and play your cards in Somalia. Imagine being 20 years at peace and you didn't bother lobbying to transfer the Somali capital to Hargeisa? That is a lost opportunity on your part. The endless secessionist lobby you folks have embarked on have only helped the UN beaucrats in Nairobi who were spending in Nairobi the money intended for Somalia, Ethiopia who received and still receives all of the security funding intended for Somalia from the west, and all of the foreign lobbyists who are milking SL and its supporters for a recognition quest that they are not even able to deliver

[waryaa]

I went to Geneva last year for a conference and met the minister of telecommunications of the TFG who was signing legally binding international ITU documents on behalf of Somalia. The guy and his assistants were dead broke and stayed with a Somali dude who sent his wife and children to America. Still, they were there doing business on behalf of every Somali. I think getting in touch with the toothless TFG would not hurt sland. Kenya has done it when it wanted to change Somalia's territorial waters map.