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An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespeare!!!

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I didn't mention in the title that it is FUNNY too...and wallahi you will enjoy reading it. Its actually one of my all time favorite poems :up:


My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress when she walks treads on the ground.
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare



What do u make out of this? What do you think William is trying to say or saying? Do you like the Strong and vivid imagery in comparison with his mistress? Me love it...and I will tell u what I think later....N please avoid using sparknotes or anything of that nature.



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Re: An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespear

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I'm gathering that people are actually trying to understand this....like I said before its a piece of cake walee compared to my daily poem/sonnet/prose readings :oops:
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Okay Im now using my Not-So-Nice nick...so u fockers better fudging reply :evil:













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Re: An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespear

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Olive aka berke aka shankaron...... :roll:



Not a flattering Poem at all.He compares his mistress to the sun,the coral,the snow, and says all these are better than her mistress. He strangely says he likes talking to her, yet he says "That music hath a far more pleasing sound" ----music has a far pleasing sound than to hear her speak. He says his mistress breaths 'reeks'---meaning stinks. :o


However, at the end--he strangely says--despite all this short comings, ugliness, and disgustingness-- he still loves her.

"And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare"



The 'False compare' in the end--kinda hints that he has been doing false comparing all along???Does he really love her with all her short comings? Or too cool to accept the love? Mocking her?--that is comparing her to the sun, the coral, the snow etc etc etc


"I think my love as rare as any she belied'


So he sees it as 'love'? and says it is rare as any love she has experienced before? With false compare?



This is not a flattering poem. Its a mocking poem. :roll:
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My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
I.e dark eyes
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
Coral colours are pale
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
dun = grey
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head.
Black hair like wire is found not among whites.
I have seen roses damasked, red and white,
But no such roses see I in her cheeks;
She is not white
And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks.
Some races have smell body odours, She has halitosis
I love to hear her speak, yet well I know
That music hath a far more pleasing sound;
She is not soft spoken like a white woman
I grant I never saw a goddess go;
My mistress when she walks treads on the ground.
She is a heavy whale and makes dents in the ground as she walks
And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare
As any she belied with false compare

This dude is talking about his affair with a nigerian woman :!:
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Interesting....Basra, I knew you would come to the rescue for you like poetry as much as I do :lol:


So yes, I totally agree with you about the whole false comparison between nature and his mistress....
The parts of nature that he indicates are somewhat or very different from the parts of his mistress that he compares it with. An example of this is when he compares the color of the coral to her lips. Mind you that the coral has a very different shade of red from her lips and also there are no roses in/on her cheeks. Though Shakespeare expresses these images in comparisons, they aren't really accurate, so that is the ideaology behind the last 2 sentences...in my opinion. Also, another thing that came to my mind is when he says "As any she belied with false comparison" is that he is comparing his mistress to other women, hence "as any she"...saying that she does not look as good as other women N she fails to be compared with them, but he loves her regardless.


Basra, loool I like how u said that its a negative poem...I believe that although it appears to be negative, it has positive connotation in the last 2 sentences. ...this is where I believe is at its highest point. It states that although reality can be somewhat different from what we have in mind...and desired to do/have, he knows that his love for his mistress is unquestionable. He states it as something very rare and makes it arguably clear that he doesn't need to make false comparisons about her with nature to know that he still loves her regadless of her physical being.
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Re: An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespear

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Cirwaaq looooooool :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Well not literarly :lol:
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He could have been discribing his left hand as his mistress. He is dead nobody can ask him for clarification.
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Re: An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespear

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I love it, it's so nice to analyse, the alliteration, smilies, historical context are just marks beggining to be claimed.

In my opinion it is not a mocking poem, it is a sonnet with double meaning. On one hand he is declaring his love, true and untainted by the 'false compare' of society's expectations of beauty and like a double edged sword he is simultaneous using sarcasm and humour to reject the false claims by the romantic and metaphysical poets of what the beauty of a woman you love is supposed to look/feel/be like.

The possessive pronoun 'My' is used continuously as he consciously takes claim of the woman he is describing and the alliterative use of the nasal sound 'm' in the repetion of 'My Mistress' emphasises to the audience a sense of deep emotional conncetion between the author and his 'Mistress'. The final rhyming couplet concludes by dismissing any idea of his 'love' being any less true than those which she has 'belied with false compare'

Oh I loved answering that question in the exam :mrgreen:
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to my coy mistress? :lol:

are you doing this for your GCSE english lit?
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What I don't understand is why Somalis don't investigate the true wonderful poets like Rumi? I am tired of the gradual westernization of Somalis.
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Re: An interesting N easy to understand sonnet by shakespear

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Olive


"in my opinion. Also, another thing that came to my mind is when he says "As any she belied with false comparison" is that he is comparing his mistress to other women, hence "as any she"...saying that she does not look as good as other women N she fails to be compared with them, but he loves her regardless. "


I doubt he was comparing his mistress to other women. In fact, i still maintain he was in a mocking tone voice.

If he could only have said-- and yet, by heaven, i think my love as rare,as any she belied'

and ended there---it would have seemed as if he was truly presumptious, possessing and thinking that his love for her was rare and special as any love she has ever experienced. But no he went one step ahead and added---with false compare, which brings back to how the poem began. Through out the poem, He was false comparing, and using mocking or unflattering....'false compare' to descripe his supposed mistress. Even though sometimes he goes over board by saying....


"And in some perfumes is there more delight
Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks."



That is just uncalled for. I have seen poems that go ga ga on the subject of love. This is a total opposite.Here he is saying, perfumes are more delightful than his mistress breath.Unless...the perfumes is metarphor for women.In that sense you might be right Olive. if what he is saying here is--my mistress does not compare to other perfumes(women), that his mistress is ugly but unique, then thats a different story. :lol: (i still will find it offensive, i dont want any man calling me his special ugly thang, mascarading it for a compliment)It is possible that this is a boyish love.Immature and teasing. It is as if the poet is reciting a boyish poem of mockering, a school boy poem of teasing his subject of crush---- he wants to remain cool--he doesnt want to be too over romantic--BV is correct is saying---the repitition of ' My, my and My --clearing is an indication a posessive terms of indearment. Where in the end---he assumes his mistress doth love him---the same, that is ---his love is as rare as any she had experienced(belied) with false compare--meaning--his love is rare just as hers is for him, especially when she falsely compares him to other men or other unflattering objects.


Or....Shakespeare could very well be talking about a man mistress. Her voice less pleasing than melodic soft voice of music( a woman), the not so perfumish breath lol, you know---something dirty. :lol: :lol:
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:o :o :o :o Oh my god, on second---Olive--lets explore this possibility. Could Shakespeare have been talking about a homosexual boy mistress?? those days --boys played the part of women actress on the stage. This will make all sense. Walaahi i am a genius! :o :clap: :clap: :clap:
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He was clearly talking about his favorite whore and you guys are on about how he is denying 'conventional beauty'


Shakespeare is rolling in his grave :lol: :lol: :lol:
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