Godane vs Abu Mansuur

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:50 pm

There's a rift between the two. Abu Mansuur contends Somalia's struggle should be local, while Godane espouses a transnational struggle. I think Abu Mansuur should understand what he's advocating for will not ensure that foreigners will stop meddling in Somalia's internal affairs. He needs to remember that the ICU's struggle was local, yet many outside forces colluded to dismantle the ICU. He needs to understand that this is an era where localizing your struggle is a sure path to self-destruction. I think Godane is pragmatic and understands what it takes to survive in a struggle where more forces are fighting one part.

Monk-of-Mogadishu · Post by **Monk-of-Mogadishu** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:24 pm

Neither are from my clan so I support neither.

But Abu Mansuur is an idiot if he wants to "localize" this affair. A huge part of Al-Shabaab's success is their internationalization; if you watch their "training" videos you can see that its always some Arabs or Chechens doing all of the bomb-making and technical work. If the organization was Somali-only they would have been resorting to just traditional street to street guerrilla war, and that simple strategy would not win a war in this day and age when everyone is tapping into the latest guerrilla technology. We saw what happened to equally large Islamist militias in the early 1990s when they espoused that "local/nationalist" strategy. Simply put, Somalis aren't nationalists anyway so why appease an ideology that even Somalis don't care about. 2010 is the age of transnational Islamist militancy. Even secular militias incorporate foreign elements, even the IRA got help from Libya and PLO from Uganda!

Anyway, I don't think in a million years that Abu Mansuur is against foreigners, I don't know where any idiot got that idea, he's the one who invited them!! People should know this conflict a bit better when they talk, we all heard from Abu Mansuur's own lips asking "Muslims from any part of the world to come to Somalia and marry our daughters and share our farms..." - those were his exact words on Al Jazeera. I can pull up the video.

hanad_mn · Post by **hanad_mn** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:35 pm

Waa been Waxaas. according to Alshabaab religous ideology, You cannot disorbey the amir unless his views comes in direct conflict with a hadith or ayah. They call it daacatul amiir. Somalis like to put everything along what they know best. Tribal Line. Godane Promoted Abu Mansuur to the Post which Adan Ceyrow and Abu Suleym once hold. The General Alshabaab Army Commander-In-Chief. That is why he commutes from Modishu to Baydhabo, to kismayo to marka to jamaame.

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:44 pm

Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:Neither are from my clan so I support neither.

Is it true that many reer Bari support al-Shabaab? If Godane or a top commander was reer Bari, would you have supported al-Shabaab?

hanad_mn wrote:Waa been Waxaas.

Of course.

SummerRain · Post by **SummerRain** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:50 pm

Bamaarn wrote:
hanad_mn wrote:Waa been Waxaas.
Of course.

You show improvment in your Somali. Did they send you to Somalia while you were away?

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:02 pm

Ismahan123 wrote:You show improvment in your Somali. Did they send you to Somalia while you were away?

No. Thanks for the compliment.

AhlulbaytSoldier · Post by **AhlulbaytSoldier** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:08 pm

Ceyroow and Abu Mansur ideologies were the same which was to make somalia an islamic state, while axmed godane wants to install osama as amir ul mumineen of the muslim ummah and non-muslim ppl.

Clearly the madmullah is axmed godane al-somalilandi, while the less takfeeri more nationalist is abuu mansur al baidoaawi.

Abdihaliim · Post by **Abdihaliim** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:15 pm

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:18 pm

HutuKing01 wrote:Ceyroow and Abu Mansur ideologies were the same which was to make somalia an islamic state, while axmed godane wants to install osama as amir ul mumineen of the muslim ummah and non-muslim ppl.

If their ideologies was to make somalia an islamic state, why would they stop there? Why wouldn't they join other Islamic states to form the Khilafah? I think you forgot the speeches by Abu Mansuur in which he commended and praised bin Laden.

AhlulbaytSoldier · Post by **AhlulbaytSoldier** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:23 pm

Even Indhacadde praised osama.
You shouldnt listen to what abu mansur says on camera. Its just talk. What he says behind closed doors is something else.
Clearly there is khilaaf between them weither its based on clan or ideology., but because of the heavy fightings against amisom, tfg, ahlusunnah they are hiding the disagreement.

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:25 pm

HutuKing01 wrote:but because of the heavy fightings against amisom, tfg, ahlusunnah they are hiding the disagreement.

If they are hiding it, how was it known?

Nomand · Post by **Nomand** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:35 pm

HutuKing01 wrote:Even Indhacadde praised osama.
You shouldnt listen to what abu mansur says on camera. Its just talk. What he says behind closed doors is something else.
Clearly there is khilaaf between them weither its based on clan or ideology., but because of the heavy fightings against amisom, tfg, ahlusunnah they are hiding the disagreement.

you know what he says in secret?

Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:08 pm

Nomand wrote:you know what he says in secret?

Good question.

Kukri · Post by **Kukri** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:12 pm

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Bamaarn · Post by **Bamaarn** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:16 pm

Waaryee biko, ceeb. One of them is related to you.

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