Abdalla: A tour through history for you

[Xamud.]

After observing a few threads, where you have been talking smack, I have decided to give you a tour through history, here`s your chance, can you put your money where your mouth is and back up all your ridiculous claims?

Let`s start with where you claim to have enslaved Leelkase

Ma ana faanay ee waxaan kuu sheegay saan ku naqaan, dameer la sito baa tahay. The funny thing is kuwaan gumeesanjiray baa ku sita. During the cumar maxamuud vs leelkasse war in the fifties/sixties, leelkasse sought your help and still you were karbaashed silly. Know your limits :up

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Source needed hombre can you put forward anything that will validate your bogus claim? Article,gabay whatever......

Second you wrote this

I am not gonna insult the noble leelkasse for dameeraha hawiye, lakiin how were they karbaashing cumar maxamuud when they run and asked xawaadle for help? bare in mind cumar maxamuud is the only darood sunclan that karbaashed xawaadle. You acted macho and came to mudug, lakiin your ass was whooped back into beledweyne. And leelkasse was dealt with accordingly afterwards

Dealt with by who? and where and when did Xawadlee comPe in full force to rescue us from Cumar Mahamud or Majerteen?


Third you claimed that the Government never took part in the war this one gotto be my favorite

As for the clan war between Cumar maxamuud and leelkasse, how could the government get involved while they were preparing for the Somali-Ethiopia war in 1964? Besides Leelkasse had generals too why didn't they go to their generals instead of xawaadle...

Is that so? This is what Afyare Elmi who was at the time a Phd student in the Department of Political Sciences, University of Alberta Edmonton, Canada wrote, he wrote this along with Dr Abdullahi Barise who is an associate Proffesor in the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences. Zayed University, Dubai, UAE. While writing this they have used the well known Somali Journalist, Mohamed Jama Urdoox(Urdoh) as source, mind you he wrote a report on the Somali goverment in the 60s.

corruption affected all levels and departments of the government. With regards to government policy, the frequently cited examples include the use of Somalias`s police and army for clannish reasons. Within two clans, the Leelkase and the Ayr, there is a widespread belief that the government of the day and the police used exccessive forces against them.

And for the record none of these men are Leelkase

Here`s another source by Dr. Mohamud Taani, Ottawa Canada

The massacre of the Leylkase clan by the Government forces in the feud between the Leylkase and the Omer Mohamuds of the early 1960s.

http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/84/8419.shtml


Now let`s cut the crap and get down to rumble and to what really happend.


You claimed " Cumar Mahamud Single handedly drove Leelkase to submission. I say bullshit and fairytails at its best. This is what a well known Cismaan Mahamud poet and a close relative of Boqor Kenadiid, said in a poem after Cumar Mahamud suffered defeated in the hands of reer Xer-Leelkase.

Waa Dayuus la arag
Xajaan Damanka hayaah
haada duulki dabolnan jiray baa haada doobi so kicin
Daroodkan sida roobka da`ay iyo degalyacmiyo( He`s hinting that Leelkase is not Darood anymore)
Bal Dayaay Diriiryay Leelkasow diidyay Nabadii
Da`ayaale iyo loga caraar doodi Nagacley


In which a Leelkase poet named Mahamud Xaaji Abdi responded

Nasabkago wixii doryaa kuma daweeyan
Dir Miyaan gala ma aniga duudki Nabi Nuux ah
Maa Aniga Duriyaad xaam ah oo Xabaash la daweystay
Dir hooyo Donbiro miyaan daba maray oo dhaafay afarti Ilma Darood
Miyaan Dayro uga leexda maa daboolantahay uunanku soo kuma diraateysnaa?
Dulmi iyo damiinimo maxaa kaa isugu duubay
Dirahdirahda Darood maxaay Daraajo kugu yeeshan maxaad uga dan ledahay wixii dilaayo ruuxago

In which the Cismaan Mahamud poet responded

Taake iyo dhuulkiba inoba diid
Tanade ceelki iyo tabargalkisii Wuxuu na tarayba naa moogaye
Tabariik iyo yasiin waxay igu tusbaxenba waa ka tolobay
oo Xariir tubay baqarka iyo torayda colaad
wuxuu tooniska u qatay oo turunbada u yeeriyay shoolada u tagay tartarada magaalada
Wuxuu Tolnimada u dhaafay
tal talabsigenu arkay iyo hoos ka turyada
Tubta ceel catalhore iyo dir iyo tooskisa iyo toomaha mareerey iyo ciid,
balitubane, teehege, duusha iyo dhagax iyo tambuuga intas oo aan so tiriyay
baa tubucba meel yaale, toob iyo farsaar, diriiryay oo toos
Taharag ino diidyey ma Talyaani ba Tanade


Mahamud Xaaji Abdi replied

Talo xumadu Nuurow ka daraan tooska cudurka ah
Towfiiqda waa ka duwdaa tooska kheryka ah
waxay ku tilmaamta cadaab lagugu tuura
Tiintadi madobeed haadan taladaa surayee
Taroodlayashi aan u qabay khimsta qarked
Toomaha in aad nagu gubtay taa waad ogtahay
Qawiil iyo qasaara ka dhacay tuua tuuayntii
Tigaagug ma helin meeshad tubahaa sarteen

Tubta ceelhurtahore iyo Biir iyo tooskisaa iyo Tomaha Mareer iyo Ciid, Gheron, Tubale, Balitubane, Teehege
Dhusha iyo dhagaxda tanbuug iyo Bacawanee
Wixii Bari ka talo iyo Xareed iyo Nugaal
Tan iyo Buhoodle iyo Tiyiglahan Ogaaden dago iyo Weebiga toskisa
Intaas oo aan so tiriyay baa Tanade joogaye
Waa niman Tolweyn oo dhulkey tahan u yaliin

Maa uu taaban ficilkaad guuryaha taad u geysateen
Talyaaniga raagad mooday waa Tanade oo kacayee
tirida qolaada iyo raaga toonisyada qatay oo turumbadaha yeeriyay oo shooladaha tagay
tartarada magaalada raagad xawliga u dhaftay, todobkada nimankas qolad logu tagi wayey
tuuloyinki jabay raaga taaha laga wayey, farasibka gumaha ah raagad ciidanka uu tubtay.
Reer muumin duul kuma taraciin tobihi dhacayee,
toonka fuulid diiidee iyo in aay yara tuuxan eegane in ay tabarucaan waa tuu aan jirin ee
Lagusee tacadiir Darood haadu towlanaan jiree, waxaa taba galkeni qaribay toban is dheerad
Kuwi kula tarashimii laha toonis(thornedo) baa marey Here he is saying that despite getting back up from your brothers, you were still hit by a thornedo
Bal tilmaamso Nuurow kuwa towday baa maqaan


To be continued...............

[garoweboy]

I thought you where in jail

[Xamud.]

I`m out on bail.

[garoweboy]

Haye Welcome back.

[Xamud.]

Mahadsanid my riyooley friend.

[Estarix]

Im not going to comment on the feud laakinse the sheer bias embedded in that article in regards to villifying Abdirazak and praising Egal is something that is unbearable for any Somali history reader to read.

[garoweboy]

Mahadsanid my riyooley friend.

I'm not riyoole

[Xamud.]

Im not going to comment on the feud laakinse the sheer bias embedded in that article in regards to villifying Abdirazak and praising Egal is something that is unbearable for any Somali history reader to read.

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Whatever rocks your boat, I couldnt careless about what the article says about Cigaal and Abdirazak Xaji Hussein, I`m just getting my point across.

[Estarix]

Im not going to comment on the feud laakinse the sheer bias embedded in that article in regards to villifying Abdirazak and praising Egal is something that is unbearable for any Somali history reader to read.

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Whatever rocks your boat, I couldnt careless about what the article says about Cigaal and Abdirazak Xaji Hussein, I`m just getting my point across.

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[abdalla11]

lol wlc back again. Horta i was wrong in mentioning leelkasse when debating Hutu´s or Daroodka qaqawan oo lo yaqaan Marexaan. It seems that you like ´alternative´ history so i have to correct you.

Kuwaan gumeysanjiray waxan ka waday Hutu´s and not you guys.

LOOL@ Somalilandtimes. I think you're eager to proof something. If you read the article as an objective person you will see that Dr Taani is biased towards a certain clan, he even went as far as saying that majerteen controlled President Adan Abdulle Cusmaan because he was married to a majeerteen woman. This Dr Taani is clearly not objective, marka don't blame me for laughing at his calacal inspired by Qaad.

corruption affected all levels and departments of the government. With regards to government policy, the frequently cited examples include the use of Somalias`s police and army for clannish reasons. Within two clans, the Leelkase and the Ayr, there is a widespread belief that the government of the day and the police used exccessive forces against them.

Since when did we ever fought Ceyr? ma mareexaan baan nahay? besides this article is also full of speculations 'it is widespread belief kulaha that not really facts don't you think. Maybe the karbash was so hard that people tought it was government vs clan... Teeda kale if one make such accusations he should be able to be more specific like which officers were involved, who authorized the 'excessive force' against Leelkasse. Those are questions that need to be answered.

Here's your adeer Prof Samatar praising the former PM Abdirizaq, the one being accused of arming the clansmen of the professor, in an article wherein he's very critical at Majerteen

the internationally respected (but not given the honor due to him at home), former prime minister Mr. Abdirizak H. Hussein, in hopes that the three rivals would step down in favor of him and that Abdirizak's prestige would be enough to stymie political squabbling.

http://www.somaliuk.com/Forums/index.ph ... 576.0;wap2


Here's once again Prof samatar talking about the war between Leelkasse and cumar maxamuud and narrating the story from a veteran of that war. Again not a single accusation of governmental interference, the report has already been posted by a member of Daroodka qaqawan, you can read it by yourself

http://wardheernews.com/articles/April/ ... amatar.htm

Besides i don't understand you, one time you say Cumar maxamuud received help from the government and thus making excuses for your loss at the same time you claim that you guys defeated us? Either we were using the goverment army and karbaashed you or you karbaashed us eventhough cumar maxamuud received govermental help lol. You can't have both ways, pick one

How come that the Leelkasse abwaan isn't mentioning the supposed interference from the government?

Waa Dayuus la arag
Xajaan Damanka hayaah
haada duulki dabolnan jiray baa haada doobi so kicin
Daroodkan sida roobka da`ay iyo degalyacmiyo( He`s hinting that Leelkase is not Darood anymore)
Bal Dayaay Diriiryay Leelkasow diidyay Nabadii
Da`ayaale iyo loga caraar doodi Nagacley

He's mentioning that LL refused peace and started the trouble (Bal Dayaay Diriiryay Leelkasow diidyay Nabadii )
He's hinting that LL isn't Darood because you guys went to dir, the Xawadle for help, markaas ba daroodnimadi ka baxdeen. I don't think that a darood clan went to a Dir clan to attack another darood, maxa ka raacay lakiin?

Taharag ino diidyey ma Talyaani ba Tanade

Go back to history and look what the Italians did when they were fighting majerteen. When they couldn't win, they armed Dir to fight us, similarly the LL sought the assistance of Dir. That's the similarity between Talyaani and Tanade

I only entered the discussion because of the so called government participation of the war
Marka the LL professor didn't make any accusations towards Abdirizaq and his cabinet (infact he praised him) nor did the abwaan, marka xagee laga keenay beentaan, the only ones that run around with this nonsense are dad aan madaxa ka tumi jiray or people that lost their sleep because of majerteen even when they were in office!

[Xamud.]

Abdalle
Thanks for the welcome

Bro, I can easily take part what happend, back them up with sufficient evidence. But the fact of the matter is Leelkase was having a field day with Cumar Mahamud until the government and their fellow kinsmen stepped in, and even after that Leelkase refused to put down their weapons and they waged war until 40 different isiimo/clan elders had to come to Mudug and take part in a heeshiish, even the Abgaal Suldaan who had never been to Mudug was there.

As a matter of fact I will post every single little detail that happend bit by bit when I have a 30 min to spare.

He's mentioning that LL refused peace and started the trouble (Bal Dayaay Diriiryay Leelkasow diidyay Nabadii )
He's hinting that LL isn't Darood because you guys went to dir, the Xawadle for help, markaas ba daroodnimadi ka baxdeen. I don't think that a darood clan went to a Dir clan to attack another darood, maxa ka raacay lakiin?

Never happened. The gabay got nothing to do with Dir or Xawadlee, he mentions "Dir hooyo Donbire" wuxuuna u jeeda Donbire dir oo 5 ilma Darood Dhashey.

[abdalla11]

I am just debunking the slanderous accusations against the government, which was hosted by the best PM we ever had. Bring me a proof from the leelkasse community, we've seen two prominent LL and none of them made such accusations

If you call killing 50 men who were praying having a field day, then that's up to you. LL started the war, walle inusa jirin reer cumar maxamuud isku taagay oo aan ka shalaynin

[Xamud.]

I am just debunking the slanderous accusations against the government, which was hosted by the best PM we ever had. Bring me a proof from the leelkasse community, we've seen two prominent LL and none of them made such accusations

If you call killing 50 men who were praying having a field day, then that's up to you. LL started the war, walle inusa jirin reer cumar maxamuud isku taagay oo aan ka shalaynin

That`s lies, they were not praying, nor were they killed anywhere near a mosque this is just fabricated lies.

As for who started it, Cumar Mahamud did, and they were sent packing all they way down to Geladi for back up from reer Bicidyahan and reer Mahamud. Leelkase was a peace loving clan back in those days, they were men of religion who apart from a few aano killings here and there never waged war against anyone. But Cumar Mahamud pushed and pushed until Leelkase decided to fight fire with fire.

You never debunked anything dude, you claimed and boasted that you "taught Leelkase a lesson"

As for two prominent Leelkase`s, dude gabaygan posted gareyay maadan arag sxb? proof read it and maybe you will understand history a bit better, the Leelkase poet says

"Tuuloyinki jabay nimankas taaha laga wayeey, Farasibka gumaha raagad ciidanka u tubtay"

When 4 different highly educated guys agree on that the government was in fact involved maxaa kale haray? I`m not claiming that the government went full out and went on a killing spree, but there was several occasions where the CM militia was backed by the local police force.

As for who was really defeated, when your fellow Majerteen is comparing Tanade to Talyaaniga oo ahayd dowlad qayiim ah, it does not have anything to do with Dir or your skirmishes with the Italians in south Somalia, it just plain simple mean that you got your ass handed to you.

[Cali_Gaab]

Hey guys, don't fight, please. Joojiya dagaalka, waan idin tuugaa

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