Kamal-- The 'Islam disapproves of sex' post
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:41 am
[quote="Kamal35"]ARE YOU DRUNK AGAIN? HAVE YOU SEEN "SUBMISSION"? Ayan Hirsi crossed the line when she insulted the Qur'an and the Prophet (scw). For that she will be hunted for the rest of her life. I wish i could get my hand around her ostrich-looking neck.
Yeah, I saw the movie. Really brilliant. It's about prejudices, submission, intolerance, superstitions. The body of a woman CAN'T be exposed because if so, she's an SLUT. WHY? If Allah created the body of a woman, why does she has to hide it? Man, or you're are stupid or I don't know: life comes from sex. And sex is having sex. There's not sin in there, there's not mistake on it. There's not hell waiting for sex.
Allah has some basic rules in here. If you want to be a theologian, ok to that. But you're against the rules of Allah. Quite simple: If you make love, you'll have a baby. If you, like Christian theologians, call this sin, avoid to touch a woman, hide your head and avoid to have sexual intercourse, well, next generation of muslim fanatics or christian fanatics, there won't be new babies.
**An oldie please tell me, has this guy been saying he's been interested in Islam for the years he has been here? Obviously he learnt NOTHING. Islam does not look upon women as 'wh.ores' or 'sluts'. Indeed it was Allah Tacaala who created the women, with beauty, beauty which should be held preciously, beauty which shouldn't be flaunted, served in front of men (and women
) , like a piece of meat with dogs, for all to see, to be exploited, to have perverts to see etc . Do you hold women that cheaply that you find nothing wrong in them exposing much of their bodies to the public eye, leaving them vulnerable? Is it not Islam that holds women in high esteem, giving them invaluable advice to 'cover' themselves, so that they may not be 'molested' and 'bothered'? Allah All Mighty is All Knowing, it is He who knows that women are indeed beautiful, an attraction, a jewel! Jewels that should be protected from harm, kept precious. What you are saying in the paragraph above is utter nonsense, giving the impression to anyone who doesn't take the time to read it that it actually had some depth and meaning. What a joke.
Allah created intercourse between man and wife, as a pleasure, as a way for them to reproduce, by His will. Muslims have been having sex since man was created! And yes, sex IS having sex. I don't know what that was supposed to mean Islam is also 'prevention is better than cure' . Look at the rate of Sexually Transmitted Diseases among non Muslims, compared to Muslims. Islam doesn't have room for fornication, Allah knows what kind of mischief that can create on the Earth, for He is All Knowing! Sex is permissable, encouraged between a married male and female couple. The Prophet Muhammed (SAW) gave advice on foreplay, also instructing men not to fall on their wives like beasts, but to send messengers of kisses and sweet words. There is hell waiting for those who deserve it, but sex, that is, sex between a married couple is not something that will lead you to hell. So you are wrong, wrong in that paragraph. Hell is not waiting for sex, it's waiting for deserving inhabitants who earnt evil.**
Follow the religion FANATICALLY and you won't have a next generation. Whether you like it or not, if you don't fucck, you don't have babies. As simple as this. Babies don't come from a miracle of Allah. Actually, the miracle of Allah is this word you hate so much: "****", the sexual intercourse of a boy and a girl. Sorry if you don't like it. But it happens like this. You can call a girl a slut or something. But you need a woman and a man naked in a bed, kissing each other and PENETRATING EACH OTHER. Otherwise, there are no babies.
** Follow the religion fanatically and you won't have a next generation? Huh? What? Who said we didn't like it? Read the paragraph above, I can't say the same thing over and over. And the man and woman don't penetrate each other, didn't you have Sex Ed?**
"ISLAM is above criticism. It's perfect and any1 who insults/questions is making him/herself a target".
Islam can be critizised all the time. What's Islam? Bin Laden's? Sorry, I don't buy that shit. Wahabism? Sorry, no. Islam can be critizised all the time, in the same way I'm critizing Christianity. It's like saying that I can't critizise Adolf Hitler of George Bush. Sorry at this point: I hate Hitler and I hate Bush. How can you say that democracy can't be critizised? Is democracy above criticism? Was Adolf Hitler above criticism?
** Islam should not be criticised all the time, like Lion said it is above criticism, and the people who have criticised it have been found to be liars. Check out the 'ANOTHER LIAR' series by Lion and AMAT-ALLAH <--- Not with a 'T' with a 'H'. You did it once again, that is, spell her name incorrectly after you were told not to. Hitler was not above criticism, and Hitler and Islam ARE NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL. He was a flawed human, while Islam is without flaws!! He was a MAN while Islam is a religion!**
No. Every system is under criticism. You name it Islam, democracy or nazism. Every sistem is under criticism. And you can't say, at this point, that this system, this religion, this bla bla bla is perfect.
** Islam is perfect, why do you feel the need to criticise Islam when it has nothing to do with you? **
Nothing is perfect at this moment. You can have the fantasy that a system, in this case, Islam, is perfect. Face to the facts, be sincere at to your heart: Islam is not perfect. Islam is failling like all other systems. As Muhammad said: bring here a insect for me and I'll believe in you. So I say: Bring here a muslim country in which Islam is the perfect way of living, and I'll go there to live.
** Where is Islam failing? Perhaps Muslims are failing, after all we are flawed humans, but where is Islam failing? If Muslims followed Islam, the way it should be followed, then how would we fail? We ruled, and will rule once again. How can Islam be failing when their is no implemented Shari'cah in the world? Through the faults of flawed Muslims, you may think Islam is failing, but that is IGNORANCE**
----->"Muslims are for freedom of speech. But like everything else it has limitations. Americans have the right to criticize their president, but even them are or can be jailed for slander or libel. Freedom of speech has its limitation. but like i said the Qur'an is Words of Allah (swt) and CAN NEVER BE CRITICIZED. IT SHOULD BE TAKEN WORD FOR WORD. IF YOU CAN'T, THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You don't have to agree with it, but you can't criticize it either. PERIOD.[/quote]
Fukk to that. I can even say Bush is a son of a ***** and Mad Mac can tell me he's agree with me. You, moron, don't know what's the meaning of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means that you can have your own opinions about something and THAT'S your point. The only limitation you have is using violence against people who has a different point of view. Re-read the posts Mad Mac and me had in the past. Completly disagree. Completly opposed. There was never just a chance in which he said: "You dumbass" Or I said "You bastard". My point is: why is so easy to talk with an American soldier being a Spanish journalist in the left wing and why is so hard to talk to a muslim guy?
Lesson: and you can go to the thread "The true story of Black Hawk Down". Mad Mac and me can be agree or disagree. But the point, always, is "I disagree with you, mate" or "Again, I disagree here". Never "You dumbass", never, "You kuffir", never "Son of a *****".
Your style is completly different: It's an insulting style.
That's makes the difference: come here as a friend, and I will reply as a friend. Come here as an enemy and I'll reply like an enemy.
It's that simple. I thought muslims has this lesson on their minds from centuries ago. At least, it what I read in Al Quran.
** First you insult the teachings of the Quran, and now you are talking about 'friendship' and the Quran. That's seriously strange**
Now, as you can see, your post had no depth, no meaning, hardly any truth to it. Just hypocrisy, and some emotional natter I didn't reply to. Next time, bring Ayah's from the Quran, hadith when you want to talk about matters in Islam, bring real knowledge. If you wanted credit where credit is due, you should have brought some proof that Islam looks at women as 'wh.ores', sex as a 'sin'. Having said that, there is no credit due.
Yeah, I saw the movie. Really brilliant. It's about prejudices, submission, intolerance, superstitions. The body of a woman CAN'T be exposed because if so, she's an SLUT. WHY? If Allah created the body of a woman, why does she has to hide it? Man, or you're are stupid or I don't know: life comes from sex. And sex is having sex. There's not sin in there, there's not mistake on it. There's not hell waiting for sex.
Allah has some basic rules in here. If you want to be a theologian, ok to that. But you're against the rules of Allah. Quite simple: If you make love, you'll have a baby. If you, like Christian theologians, call this sin, avoid to touch a woman, hide your head and avoid to have sexual intercourse, well, next generation of muslim fanatics or christian fanatics, there won't be new babies.
**An oldie please tell me, has this guy been saying he's been interested in Islam for the years he has been here? Obviously he learnt NOTHING. Islam does not look upon women as 'wh.ores' or 'sluts'. Indeed it was Allah Tacaala who created the women, with beauty, beauty which should be held preciously, beauty which shouldn't be flaunted, served in front of men (and women
) , like a piece of meat with dogs, for all to see, to be exploited, to have perverts to see etc . Do you hold women that cheaply that you find nothing wrong in them exposing much of their bodies to the public eye, leaving them vulnerable? Is it not Islam that holds women in high esteem, giving them invaluable advice to 'cover' themselves, so that they may not be 'molested' and 'bothered'? Allah All Mighty is All Knowing, it is He who knows that women are indeed beautiful, an attraction, a jewel! Jewels that should be protected from harm, kept precious. What you are saying in the paragraph above is utter nonsense, giving the impression to anyone who doesn't take the time to read it that it actually had some depth and meaning. What a joke.Allah created intercourse between man and wife, as a pleasure, as a way for them to reproduce, by His will. Muslims have been having sex since man was created! And yes, sex IS having sex. I don't know what that was supposed to mean
Islam is also 'prevention is better than cure' . Look at the rate of Sexually Transmitted Diseases among non Muslims, compared to Muslims. Islam doesn't have room for fornication, Allah knows what kind of mischief that can create on the Earth, for He is All Knowing! Sex is permissable, encouraged between a married male and female couple. The Prophet Muhammed (SAW) gave advice on foreplay, also instructing men not to fall on their wives like beasts, but to send messengers of kisses and sweet words. There is hell waiting for those who deserve it, but sex, that is, sex between a married couple is not something that will lead you to hell. So you are wrong, wrong in that paragraph. Hell is not waiting for sex, it's waiting for deserving inhabitants who earnt evil.**Follow the religion FANATICALLY and you won't have a next generation. Whether you like it or not, if you don't fucck, you don't have babies. As simple as this. Babies don't come from a miracle of Allah. Actually, the miracle of Allah is this word you hate so much: "****", the sexual intercourse of a boy and a girl. Sorry if you don't like it. But it happens like this. You can call a girl a slut or something. But you need a woman and a man naked in a bed, kissing each other and PENETRATING EACH OTHER. Otherwise, there are no babies.
** Follow the religion fanatically and you won't have a next generation? Huh? What? Who said we didn't like it? Read the paragraph above, I can't say the same thing over and over. And the man and woman don't penetrate each other, didn't you have Sex Ed?**
"ISLAM is above criticism. It's perfect and any1 who insults/questions is making him/herself a target".
Islam can be critizised all the time. What's Islam? Bin Laden's? Sorry, I don't buy that shit. Wahabism? Sorry, no. Islam can be critizised all the time, in the same way I'm critizing Christianity. It's like saying that I can't critizise Adolf Hitler of George Bush. Sorry at this point: I hate Hitler and I hate Bush. How can you say that democracy can't be critizised? Is democracy above criticism? Was Adolf Hitler above criticism?
** Islam should not be criticised all the time, like Lion said it is above criticism, and the people who have criticised it have been found to be liars. Check out the 'ANOTHER LIAR' series by Lion and AMAT-ALLAH <--- Not with a 'T' with a 'H'. You did it once again, that is, spell her name incorrectly after you were told not to. Hitler was not above criticism, and Hitler and Islam ARE NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL. He was a flawed human, while Islam is without flaws!! He was a MAN while Islam is a religion!**
No. Every system is under criticism. You name it Islam, democracy or nazism. Every sistem is under criticism. And you can't say, at this point, that this system, this religion, this bla bla bla is perfect.
** Islam is perfect, why do you feel the need to criticise Islam when it has nothing to do with you? **
Nothing is perfect at this moment. You can have the fantasy that a system, in this case, Islam, is perfect. Face to the facts, be sincere at to your heart: Islam is not perfect. Islam is failling like all other systems. As Muhammad said: bring here a insect for me and I'll believe in you. So I say: Bring here a muslim country in which Islam is the perfect way of living, and I'll go there to live.
** Where is Islam failing? Perhaps Muslims are failing, after all we are flawed humans, but where is Islam failing? If Muslims followed Islam, the way it should be followed, then how would we fail? We ruled, and will rule once again. How can Islam be failing when their is no implemented Shari'cah in the world? Through the faults of flawed Muslims, you may think Islam is failing, but that is IGNORANCE**
----->"Muslims are for freedom of speech. But like everything else it has limitations. Americans have the right to criticize their president, but even them are or can be jailed for slander or libel. Freedom of speech has its limitation. but like i said the Qur'an is Words of Allah (swt) and CAN NEVER BE CRITICIZED. IT SHOULD BE TAKEN WORD FOR WORD. IF YOU CAN'T, THEN SHUT YOUR MOUTH. You don't have to agree with it, but you can't criticize it either. PERIOD.[/quote]
Fukk to that. I can even say Bush is a son of a ***** and Mad Mac can tell me he's agree with me. You, moron, don't know what's the meaning of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means that you can have your own opinions about something and THAT'S your point. The only limitation you have is using violence against people who has a different point of view. Re-read the posts Mad Mac and me had in the past. Completly disagree. Completly opposed. There was never just a chance in which he said: "You dumbass" Or I said "You bastard". My point is: why is so easy to talk with an American soldier being a Spanish journalist in the left wing and why is so hard to talk to a muslim guy?
Lesson: and you can go to the thread "The true story of Black Hawk Down". Mad Mac and me can be agree or disagree. But the point, always, is "I disagree with you, mate" or "Again, I disagree here". Never "You dumbass", never, "You kuffir", never "Son of a *****".
Your style is completly different: It's an insulting style.
That's makes the difference: come here as a friend, and I will reply as a friend. Come here as an enemy and I'll reply like an enemy.
It's that simple. I thought muslims has this lesson on their minds from centuries ago. At least, it what I read in Al Quran.
** First you insult the teachings of the Quran, and now you are talking about 'friendship' and the Quran. That's seriously strange**
Now, as you can see, your post had no depth, no meaning, hardly any truth to it. Just hypocrisy, and some emotional natter I didn't reply to. Next time, bring Ayah's from the Quran, hadith when you want to talk about matters in Islam, bring real knowledge. If you wanted credit where credit is due, you should have brought some proof that Islam looks at women as 'wh.ores', sex as a 'sin'. Having said that, there is no credit due.
I wonder how many of the non Muslims also have no points in their posts?
<--- Imagine that is my middle finger saying 'Hi'.