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The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:34 pm
by James Dahl

I've put my mapmaking skills towards recording this momentous moment in history.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:50 pm
by Voltage
Looks like a Western white man's bias coupled in with a somewhat steady understanding of Eastern Africa.

Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:55 pm
by Voltage
How is Iran a dictatorship while Russia is a farcical democracy? Last I heard Iranians actually choose their leaders and under Khatami was at least a flawed democracy.
And after seeing what democracy is in America, I doubt it lives up to its ideals. In the "dictatorships" of third world, the military usurps power from the masses and in the "democracies" of the West, the corporate CEO does.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:58 pm
by kadarre
America itself is Flawed Democracy.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:59 pm
by Monsieur
Voltage wrote:Looks like a Western white man's bias coupled in with a somewhat steady understanding of Eastern Africa.

Obviously somebody who works for the Eastern African department of the CIA/FBI
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:03 pm
by Voltage
kadarre wrote:America itself is Flawed Democracy.
I live here and see it everyday. it is worse than a flawed democracy. I have never seen such ignorance of the voting masses, such misinformation peddled with an honest face, such bending money can do...I mean just because you go into a booth and check next to a name...is that what democracy is? That is like saying going to school is being there for attendance.
I will see democracy when it is criminal to peddle misinformation willfully to the public, when money is removed from elections (public financing), when the public is actually aware of what they are voting on, and when candidates are held accountable by the law in fighting for what they promised.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:23 pm
by IRONm@N
Somalia was the first to start the revolution 1991 then it turned into a civil-war, then Islamic Courts bring it back in 2006 against Ethiopia and Warlord puppets. so I think you should put Somalia as a revolution in progress, since they are no tribal wars, but more like TFG vs Shabaab.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:36 pm
by Oxidant
I see a lot more governments being overthrown by their people. Rising food prices, unemployment, corruption and brutality is a prefect cocktail for a revolution
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:44 pm
by gurey25
complacency.. the mubarak regime took the egyptians for granted.
do you guys know that the scale of the 1977 protests was bigger than this one..
people literaly went mad and charged tanks on the street..
the main driver for those protests, the economy, especially the price of bread..
Sadat survived becuase he had the respect of the people...
mubarak an zero respect to start with..
mubarak forgot the main lessons of dictatorship 101..
keep the people fed and entertained(distracted) and they will not revolt.
The egyptians are generally docile politically, and apathetic towards dictatorship...
but people much more passive than the egyptians, the russian peasants and chinese peasants had the worlds greatest and bloodiest revolutions, why becuase they were starving and freezing to death.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:09 pm
by ToughGong
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:27 pm
by James Dahl
All democracies are flawed, by "Flawed Democracy" I mean that the democratic process is imperfect in implementing real democratic change.
Iran is a dictatorship because it is impossible to effect real change in Iran through the democratic process, because the Mullahs are unelected and have all real power.
Russia is a farcical democracy as the system IS built that it is possible to enact real change through the democratic process, but the deck is so stacked in favor of United Russia that the democratic process is a farce.
Say what you will about the US political system, but elections are competitive, free and fair and has a direct impact on real power.
For most of the countries I used "Democracy Index 2010"
http://graphics.eiu.com/PDF/Democracy_I ... 10_web.pdf
Though I interpreted their data differently than they did a bit.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:09 am
by djibsomali
JAMES DAHL;
YOU ARE FUC5KING FARCICAL fuck face fool.
The reason i am bursting of insults is your stupid old asshole is trying to pass IRAN AS A DICTATORSHIP!!
iran a dictatorship??? and usa where bush steal election from algore as democratic???
get out of town !!!!
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:26 am
by kadarre
Voltage wrote: when the public is actually aware of what they are voting on, and when candidates are held accountable by the law in fighting for what they promised.
Politicians in the UK are never taken seriously. students have been lied to. We are now facing possible debts of 50 000 pounds before we graduate.

Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:12 am
by Murax
gurey25 wrote:complacency.. the mubarak regime took the egyptians for granted.
do you guys know that the scale of the 1977 protests was bigger than this one..
people literaly went mad and charged tanks on the street..
the main driver for those protests, the economy, especially the price of bread..
Sadat survived becuase he had the respect of the people...
mubarak an zero respect to start with..
mubarak forgot the main lessons of dictatorship 101..
keep the people fed and entertained(distracted) and they will not revolt.
The egyptians are generally docile politically, and apathetic towards dictatorship...
but people much more passive than the egyptians, the russian peasants and chinese peasants had the worlds greatest and bloodiest revolutions, why becuase they were starving and freezing to death.
True. When people get hungry to a certain point they don't care anymore. They're thinking I'm either gonna die of starvation or by this tank so screw it. To be honest though to keep Egypt well fed is hard no matter what. The Country really doesn't have a whole lot of recourses and is really dependent on US Aid. They have a huge population, and to provide oppritunities for all of them is gonna be tough.
Re: The revolutions of 2011
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:46 am
by kadarre
40% of the population is struggling. Also if you have a huge gap between the poor and the rich.
