How was North Somalia treated during 1960-1991?

[Coeus]

Somaliland, before 1960, had more economic trade and other relations with French Somaliland and Ethiopia, it opted for unity with Mogadishu for the sake of that larger cause. It was not to be and yet the union between Hargeisa and Mogadishu became sour. The union kicked off without real negotiations and sound legal foundations (this was the fault of the people and leadership of Somaliland). It started with inequality with Somaliland being treated as simply a backyard province rather than a country, which sacrificed its sovereignty for the sake of larger unity. As long as the democratic system was in place people entertained the hope that change for the better was possible. But after the military coup a slow process of recolonizing Somaliland by Somalia began until, in the later years of the regime, it culminated in total suppression, destruction, and attempted genocide. In such conditions, resistance was inevitable. In 1991, the resistance succeeded, the regime disintegrated, Somaliland restored its sovereignty, and Somalia ran into uncontrollable mayhem which is still continuing.

By: Prof. Ibrahim Meygaag Samatar





He was a Cabinet member of the Siyad Barre regime for nine years and then his Ambassador in Bonne for one year. In 1981 he left the goverment and joined the SNM





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My question is, we need to know what contributes to the will of seccecion in the north, other then Siad barres ruthless bombing.

Was North Somalia active in taking part of the decicions in the goverment? Was the Isaaq ignored and insignificant in those days politics? What do you think of the article?

[The_Emperior5]

Mujaheed ibrahim meygaag samatar ilahay ku naxariiso qabriga ha ku nuuro you will be missed.

[Cirwaaq]

The balanced unbaised view would dictate that a few greedy Slanders were part and parcel of the eroded attitude towards northern parts of the republic. Despite the few greedy men who represented the northern population as early as 1961 there is evidence of dissatisfaction and disillusion experienced by the majority of the northern population with excess of 70% living a nomadic life.

All those that had wealth uprooted and opted for a life in the capital causing a wealth drain southwards. The union began to represent abandonment for those that relied on the prosperity of northern cities and towns. Additionally those that relocated from the north to the south became second class citizens in the capital. A few dominated all spheres of political, economical and spiritual enfluence in the Capital. It is not to say they are alone in this unbalanced system for even those that made the majority in terms of clan were themselves maginalised on their own clan territory.

The divide was more along the lines of UPPER classs being the lackies who benefited from the british and Italians upon independence had disproportianate wealth and education that set them above the less favoured by the colonials.

Farmaarjo summarises in his thesis the MJ and Mudoloode were favoured by the Italians

While in the north those that had access to Sheik school near Burco had an upper hand after independence along with those that worked closely with the British

[Coeus]

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[Coeus]

The balanced unbaised view would dictate that a few greedy Slanders were part and parcel of the eroded attitude towards northern parts of the republic. Despite the few greedy men who represented the northern population as early as 1961 there is evidence of dissatisfaction and disillusion experienced by the majority of the northern population with excess of 70% living a nomadic life.

All those that had wealth uprooted and opted for a life in the capital causing a wealth drain southwards. The union began to represent abandonment for those that relied on the prosperity of northern cities and towns. Additionally those that relocated from the north to the south became second class citizens in the capital. A few dominated all spheres of political, economical and spiritual enfluence in the Capital. It is not to say they are alone in this unbalanced system for even those that made the majority in terms of clan were themselves maginalised on their own clan territory.

The divide was more along the lines of UPPER classs being the lackies who benefited from the british and Italians upon independence had disproportianate wealth and education that set them above the less favoured by the colonials.

Farmaarjo summarises in his thesis the MJ and Mudoloode were favoured by the Italians

While in the north those that had access to Sheik school near Burco had an upper hand after independence along with those that worked closely with the British

Great elaboration. But isnt it very likely for this to happen again if stability returns to the South? How should we stop this kind of segregation?

[kambuli]

Coeus,

Wax ma kuu sheegaa??? These people just needed extra..More...Dalkaas waxaa loo kala goynayaa waa sed bursi...Nothing else...

[ToughGong]

Mujaheed ibrahim meygaag samatar IHUN

[Coeus]

Coeus,

Wax ma kuu sheegaa??? These people just needed extra..More...Dalkaas waxaa loo kala goynayaa waa sed bursi...Nothing else...

Kambuli walaal i always dont understand your somali, please translate in english sister

[kambuli]

To make it short..Our people in the North are greedy..It is because of Greed that they want to secede from the rest of

[grandpakhalif]

These people from the North bring nothing I repeat nothing to the table, it is in our best interest to secede from them instead of them mooching off our resources, let them be!

[Coeus]

To make it short..Our people in the North are greedy..It is because of Greed that they want to secede from the rest of

Kambuli are yuo sure it is because of greed? Dont you think it is because of marginilisation? I mean, was Hargeisa important for Somalia as it is Today? Was the north Somalia important then as it is today? How much of development reached waqooyi compared to konfuur?

[The_Emperior5]

These people from the North bring nothing I repeat nothing to the table, it is in our best interest to secede from them instead of them mooching off our resources, let them be!

Grandpa waleh waad asiibtay

[Nomand]

they were treated with respect until 1987 when some of them formed an armed oppisition to the current goverment of that time siyad barre. siyad barre as the president had everyright to crush them but he made a big mistake by collective punishment of whole isaq tribe after that they were treated inhumane

[The_Emperior5]

To make it short..Our people in the North are greedy..It is because of Greed that they want to secede from the rest of

Kambuli are yuo sure it is because of greed? Dont you think it is because of marginilisation? I mean, was Hargeisa important for Somalia as it is Today? Was the north Somalia important then as it is today? How much of development reached waqooyi compared to konfuur?

No development reached Somaliland in the 60s not in the 70s and in the 80s we were fighting Somalia Military
I mean the airport of hargeysa was build by the colonialist Sheikh sheikh secondary highschool was build during the Colonial era. The Road from the Airport hargeysa to the Bridge. was constructed by the British. the hospital of hargeysa was Build by the British. Wa run eeh la isma xaqiro bile raffle when he was the governor of hargeysa paved a few roads in north and Central hargeysa. that was it.

[Cirwaaq]

The balanced unbaised view would dictate that a few greedy Slanders were part and parcel of the eroded attitude towards northern parts of the republic. Despite the few greedy men who represented the northern population as early as 1961 there is evidence of dissatisfaction and disillusion experienced by the majority of the northern population with excess of 70% living a nomadic life.

All those that had wealth uprooted and opted for a life in the capital causing a wealth drain southwards. The union began to represent abandonment for those that relied on the prosperity of northern cities and towns. Additionally those that relocated from the north to the south became second class citizens in the capital. A few dominated all spheres of political, economical and spiritual enfluence in the Capital. It is not to say they are alone in this unbalanced system for even those that made the majority in terms of clan were themselves maginalised on their own clan territory.

The divide was more along the lines of UPPER classs being the lackies who benefited from the british and Italians upon independence had disproportianate wealth and education that set them above the less favoured by the colonials.

Farmaarjo summarises in his thesis the MJ and Mudoloode were favoured by the Italians

While in the north those that had access to Sheik school near Burco had an upper hand after independence along with those that worked closely with the British

Great elaboration. But isnt it very likely for this to happen again if stability returns to the South? How should we stop this kind of segregation?

Evaulate the last 20years.

Peace in sland and pland. War in Koonfur. Consider the impacts on

- Education of the differing population
- wealth
- Mental state
- Motivation
- Life goals

A renewed union will mean a more unbalanced distripution then the one we witnessed in 1960

only this time.

Sland and Pland educated and wealthy Elite will dominate all spheres of Republic affairs. There will a Master Elite Northerners and 2nd class labour citizens from Koonfur. 20 years of differing environments has created a great divide between the bulk of the populations in the 3 regions stated above.

Koonfur can only afford to entertain another union when it has had 20 years of peace otherwise we will have a reenactment of the 1960 Union only this time it is Koonfur that will not be satisfied with the balance and distripution of wealth and power. No clan will trust the other to ever have greater military enfluence.

Union in the next 20 years means another war while old wounds remain in the hearts and minds of all clans. This time there are far more weapons involved and genocides will occur since we all know the world will not do anything about it anyway.