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New wikileaks cable on somalia

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NEW ETHIOPIAN OPTIONS FOR SOMALIA
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¶13. (C/NF) On Somalia, Meles said that his government "had
been reviewing our options," and will present its
recommendations to President Abdullahi Yusuf when he passes
through Addis on his return from London. Meles said that he
is hoping to withdraw most of our troops, if not all of them,
by the summer. Meles was hopeful that additional forces from
the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM) would be on the
ground by the time of Ethiopia's withdrawal, including the
remaining Burundian forces and the Nigerian battalion, and
that the forces from the TFG that had been trained by
Ethiopia, Uganda, Tanzania, and Rwanda would be able to play
a greater role in maintaining security. At this point, the
Ethiopian forces will withdraw to the Ethiopian side of the
border, where they would be ready to respond quickly should
something happen, but the combined TFG and AMISOM forces
would be responsible for maintaining security. Meles noted
that some elements within the TFG were mistakenly counting on
an indefinite Ethiopian presence and said that he hoped that
Ethiopia's withdrawal would help those elements within the
TFG become more flexible.
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¶14. (C/NF) At the same time, Ethiopia will pursue a second
track of continuing to reach out to the opposition and
helping to make the TFG "more effective." Noting the complex
clan balances in the Mogadishu and Kismaayo areas, Meles said
that he was encouraging the TFG to form regional governments
in both areas to help bring greater stability and help
balance clan sensitivities. Meles said that he was
continuing to engage with the Hawiye, particularly the Habir
Gedir sub-clan, and that he was pleased that Ahmed Abdisalam
Adan (Hawiye/Habir Gedir/Ayr) had been brought into the new
TFG Cabinet as one of the Deputy Prime Ministers. In
response to a question from A/S Frazer, Meles indicated that
it may be possible for the TFG to dismiss Mogadishu Mayor
Mohamed Dheere (Hawiye/Abgal). However, Meles seemed to be
more concerned regarding the situation in Kismaayo, where the
problems were within the Darood clan rather than the Hawiye.
(Comment: While President Yusuf is from the Darood/Mijerteen
sub-clan, the Darood presence in Kismaayo is largely from the
Darood/Marehan sub-clan. End Comment.)
¶15. (C/NF) Meles also noted that his government had been
reaching out to the external opposition based in Asmara.
Meles opined that the opposition seemed uncomfortable with
the current situation and that it was now possible to bring
the opposition back into a political process. Saudi Arabia
could also play a helpful role in persuading some of the
former members of the Council of Islamic Courts to come back
into a political process, according to Meles. At the same
time, said Meles, there are now divisions within the Shabaab,
and "Aweys may no longer be in control" of the movement.
Meles emphasized the importance of isolating the Shabaab,
building the capacity of the TFG, and reaching out to the
opposition and key stakeholders. Meles said that he had
discussed parts of this strategy with TFG Prime Minister Nur
"Adde" Hassan Hussein, but that they were waiting to discuss
the military components with President Yusuf first given his
sensitivities on military arrangements.
¶16. (C/NF) A/S Frazer responded that this sounded like a
good plan, but one that required lots of work both with
AMISOM and the TFG. A/S Frazer noted that Ugandan President
Museveni had offered--pending discussions with his officials
at home--to deploy an additional two battalions under AMISOM
if the U.S. could provide financial support, which we would
try to do. Meles responded that this would be very helpful
and said that he would speak to Museveni about this
possibility. Meles also noted the importance of training an
effective Somali police force and that he was hoping to train
more Somali police if financial support could be identified.
A/S Frazer responded that we would see if we could identify
any funds to support this effort.
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US IMPROVING RELATIONS WITH SOMALILAND
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¶17. (C/NF) Turning to Somaliland, A/S Frazer noted the
recent visit of Somaliland President Dahir Rayale Kahin to
Washington. While some may interpret this visit as a sign
that the U.S. was on the verge of formal recognition, A/S
Frazer clarified that the United States was not getting ready
to recognize Somaliland, but believed that it was important
to engage with them to ensure regional stability. At the
same time, A/S Frazer said that the United States would not
be opposed to Somaliland independence if it should happen
within an AU context. A/S Frazer said that she had raised
the issue with AU Chairperson Alpha Oumar Konare, who seemed
to be placing unrealistic conditions for addressing the
Somaliland issue. The first was that Somaliland negotiate
with the government in Mogadishu, either the TFG or its
successor, regarding its independence, and the second was
that there be a regional consensus on Somaliland's status,
neither of which are likely to happen or result in any clear
decisions.
¶18. (C/NF) Meles said that Ethiopia's position on Somaliland
was the same as that of the United States, but that the
political situation within the AU was not yet ripe for
addressing the Somaliland issue. Meles said that he met with
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Rayale upon his return from Washington and urged him to write
to the AU requesting that they identify a timeframe for a
discussion on the Somaliland issue. However, Rayale "messed
things up" by essentially re-sending his previous letter
requesting recognition and membership in the AU, rather than
asking for a timeframe for a discussion on Somaliland. Meles
said that, if Somaliland had taken the route that he
suggested, it would have been likely that the issue could
have been addressed soon. However, if the elections for a
new AU Chairperson take place during the AU Summit, Meles
said that the next chairperson is unlikely to be as positive
towards Somaliland as Konare, which will only further delay
any discussion of Somaliland.
¶19. (C/NF) Meles also noted the complications of the current
political situation inside Somaliland with the delays in
preparations for the municipal and presidential elections.
While avoiding any specifics, Meles said that the clan
dynamics in Somaliland were out of balance, but that it was
important to convey to Rayale that he could not rely on
"outside forces" to tilt the balance in his favor. Even if
Ethiopia tried to intervene on Rayale,s behalf, Meles said,
the effort would fail.
so what you guys think..meles maba meesha oo dhan xokuma so ma ahan?. :)
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this is not news, wa la iska oga awalba.

midget ba na hukuma from jigjiga to aware to mogadishu to hargeysa to boosaso iyo inta o daheysa.
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hyperactive wrote:this is not news, wa la iska oga awalba.

midget ba na hukuma from jigjiga to aware to mogadishu to hargeysa to boosaso iyo inta o daheysa.
somalida waa wax bakhtiyay,,, :lol: :lol: :down:
hyper from now on I wont claim to be from Somalia..maanta wixii ka danbeeyo..north sudan baan sheegan.. :lol: :up:
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war dadkad jinsiyadooda haysato iska sheego. somalia wah la yirahdo ma jiro.

aniga ethiopian ba tahay ma la eki yiri anigo yar, oqdad baban qaday illa hada. :lol:
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hyperactive wrote:war dadkad jinsiyadooda haysato iska sheego. somalia wah la yirahdo ma jiro.

aniga ethiopian ba tahay ma la eki yiri anigo yar, oqdad baban qaday illa hada. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
walahi sxb,,european baan heeysta dhalashada..laakin waa cadaan aniguna madow baan ahay hadan sheegto waba la igu qosli.. :lol:
marka inaan sudan iska sheegto baa ii dhaanto so ma ahan.. :) :up:
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so sida maraykanka multicultural m aha, mise wa wada adaan?

aniga koley wan ka yara naseeb badanahay, i can say qatari or yemani and get away with it. but meshan qabil omba lagu weydin, not jinsiyad.

shono aslak omba laku dihi. :lol;
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maya sxb meeshan multi-culture ma ahan..sida america ma ahan wa wadan cadaan ah,..waliba kuwii timaha cad cadaa iyo indho blue ah..anigoo madow oo indho mad madow leh miya ku dhex dhuuman kara :lol: :lol: :down:
haye carabtana ma qabiil ba la is weeydiya sxb..maba kii hoyada iska sheegatid.. :up:
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so what you guys think..meles maba meesha oo dhan xokuma so ma ahan?. :)
It's time to sideline that midget, the problem is that the International community sees him as our foster dad, so they discuss everything with him before they come to us :evil:
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lol@foster dad. wa runtaa walle.
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When you can't even rule yourselves maxaa la idinku faleyaa? What's the point of talking to you markaa? :lol:
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nothing new..somalida wa bunch of xoolo..males zenawi was in mogadishu for a decade he knows how to manipulate them :down: :down:
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abdalla11 wrote:
so what you guys think..meles maba meesha oo dhan xokuma so ma ahan?. :)
It's time to sideline that midget, the problem is that the International community sees him as our foster dad, so they discuss everything with him before they come to us :evil:
but why are the Somalis passively sitting and looking on and let this idiot talk on our behalf..I mean we are all in the west and we cant even form a single union/organisation that can talk to the gaalo on behalf of our nation..somalida marka eey soomali kale arkaan oo isku qabiil aheeyn sidii libaaxii ayeey uu soo boodaan laakin when facing their real enemy sidii bisaadi beey gud yar ku dhuuntaan. :lol: :down:
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abdalla11 wrote:
so what you guys think..meles maba meesha oo dhan xokuma so ma ahan?. :)
It's time to sideline that midget, the problem is that the International community sees him as our foster dad, so they discuss everything with him before they come to us :evil:

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ foster dad...they think he is our new prophet sxb....they send everything via him :down: :down:
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abdisamad3 wrote: ¶18. (C/NF)

Meles said that Ethiopia's position on Somaliland was the same as that of the United States, but that the political situation within the AU was not yet ripe for addressing the Somaliland issue. Meles said that he met with Rayale upon his return from Washington and urged him to write to the AU requesting that they identify a timeframe for a discussion on the Somaliland issue. However, Rayale "messed things up" by essentially re-sending his previous letter requesting recognition and membership in the AU, rather than asking for a timeframe for a discussion on Somaliland. Meles said that, if Somaliland had taken the route that he suggested, it would have been likely that the issue could have been addressed soon. However, if the elections for a new AU Chairperson take place during the AU Summit, Meles said that the next chairperson is unlikely to be as positive towards Somaliland as Konare, which will only further delay any discussion of Somaliland.

¶19. (C/NF)

Meles also noted the complications of the current political situation inside Somaliland with the delays in preparations for the municipal and presidential elections.
While avoiding any specifics, Meles said that the clan dynamics in Somaliland were out of balance, but that it was important to convey to Rayale that he could not rely on "outside forces" to tilt the balance in his favor. Even if Ethiopia tried to intervene on Rayale,s behalf, Meles said, the effort would fail.
So Riyale messed up the recognition process, and wanted to keep milking the triangle. Mellez realized that the effort to keep Riyale was not worthy try. Therefore, he left peacefully at the end.

The report is not 100% right, but the bigger picture is clear for all to see.
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ciyaal_warta wrote:nothing new..somalida wa bunch of xoolo..males zenawi was in mogadishu for a decade he knows how to manipulate them :down: :down:
ciyaal thats soo sad know sxb..makes me sad everyday to know how xoolo sambaciin our people are..and I even try to not give a fuck about Somalia and its people but its kinda a hard to not to when your one.. :lol: :down:
what a miserable existens it is to be a Somali (mind you this is coming from me once a hardcore Somalinationalist who would do anything for the people) laakin kuwa inkaar qabo ayaa jilaafo ii bixiyay intaan cadawga ku sii socday.. :lol: :down:
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