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interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:06 pm
by ciyaal_warta
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Somalia’s Transitional Federal Government (TFG) has squandered the goodwill and support it received and achieved little of significance in the two years it has been in office. It is inept, increasingly corrupt and hobbled by President Sharif’s weak leadership. So far, every effort to make the administration modestly functional has come unstuck. The new leaner cabinet looks impressive on paper but, given divisive politics and the short timeframe, is unlikely to deliver significant progress on key transitional objectives, such as stabilising Somalia and delivering a permanent constitution before August 2011, when the TFG’s official mandate ends.
more : http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/a ... pport.aspx

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:19 pm
by BlackVelvet
Very well written and sensible. I agree with the recommendations, there is no point banging our heads against the metaphorical brick wall which is the TFG. It doesn't work so move on.

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:26 pm
by Niya
The crisis group are opportunists, biased and I would not bother to read them as a credible source. Yeah, here and there they may highlight the obvious, but they are nothing more than opportunists on pay to the higest bidder. Who are they consulting for this time? Who paid for this "report" "investigation" ?

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:19 pm
by Cirwaaq
130days to go till 1st aug2011

Faroole refuses any dialogue with TFG and this will put a lot more pressure on them come Aug2011.
Furthermore, if by August, the TFG has not made meaningful progress in coping with its internal problems and shown itself genuinely willing to work and share power with these local authorities, the international community should shift all its aid to them.
Interesting times ahead. TFG has 130 days left:

- To claim 100% victory in moqadishu.
- Lay down the groundwork for the end of transition to presidential elections.
- Show efforts to renegotiate with Faroole.
- Repel advancement of shabab who will begin to take advantage of the last days of TFG.
- Transfer all remaining funds in their control to offshore accounts.
- Exist the scene with 60days to spare.

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:33 pm
by ciyaal_warta
BlackVelvet wrote:Very well written and sensible. I agree with the recommendations, there is no point banging our heads against the metaphorical brick wall which is the TFG. It doesn't work so move on.

yh its well written and anyone who knows the real facts on the ground would agree with them...i say lets localize the whole admin :up:
Niya wrote:The crisis group are opportunists, biased and I would not bother to read them as a credible source. Yeah, here and there they may highlight the obvious, but they are nothing more than opportunists on pay to the higest bidder. Who are they consulting for this time? Who paid for this "report" "investigation" ?
there opportunist as it comes but u have to agree with them their points are correct and its time to localize and build somali from bottom to top approach :up:

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:44 pm
by Cirwaaq
ciyaal_warta wrote:
BlackVelvet wrote:Very well written and sensible. I agree with the recommendations, there is no point banging our heads against the metaphorical brick wall which is the TFG. It doesn't work so move on.

yh its well written and anyone who knows the real facts on the ground would agree with them...i say lets localize the whole admin :up:
Niya wrote:The crisis group are opportunists, biased and I would not bother to read them as a credible source. Yeah, here and there they may highlight the obvious, but they are nothing more than opportunists on pay to the higest bidder. Who are they consulting for this time? Who paid for this "report" "investigation" ?
there opportunist as it comes but u have to agree with them their points are correct and its time to localize and build somali from bottom to top approach :up:
Nobody listened for 20 years what is going to change in Koonfur which allows anybody to govern it's affairs. Sharif+Farmaarjo team should be an example of the path forward. Locally built government with interests that are sincere even if they are corrupt will at least get more done then those with no intention to make a difference while being corrupt.

Lesser of two evils :up:

Would love to see a slight change in posts:

Rahanweyn: president
Haweya: Prime
Darood: speaker

:up:

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:50 pm
by ciyaal_warta
Cirwaaq wrote:
ciyaal_warta wrote:
BlackVelvet wrote:Very well written and sensible. I agree with the recommendations, there is no point banging our heads against the metaphorical brick wall which is the TFG. It doesn't work so move on.

yh its well written and anyone who knows the real facts on the ground would agree with them...i say lets localize the whole admin :up:
Niya wrote:The crisis group are opportunists, biased and I would not bother to read them as a credible source. Yeah, here and there they may highlight the obvious, but they are nothing more than opportunists on pay to the higest bidder. Who are they consulting for this time? Who paid for this "report" "investigation" ?
there opportunist as it comes but u have to agree with them their points are correct and its time to localize and build somali from bottom to top approach :up:
Nobody listened for 20 years what is going to change in Koonfur which allows anybody to govern it's affairs. Sharif+Farmaarjo team should be an example of the path forward. Locally built government with interests that are sincere even if they are corrupt will at least get more done then those with no intention to make a difference while being corrupt.

Lesser of two evils :up:

Would love to see a slight change in posts:

Rahanweyn: president
Haweya: Prime
Darood: speaker

:up:

bro am voting for the dismantle of this TFG i dont care who gets the posts..all i want is a federalism is implemented in somalia let every clan rule their lil tuulos and then build a federal governemnt..bottom-up approach not the other around :up:

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:17 pm
by Cirwaaq
Problem is "I want".

12million all want implementation of their own version of politics :D

It is like a sunday market bazaar, noice and flies.

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:25 pm
by ciyaal_warta
Cirwaaq wrote:Problem is "I want".

12million all want implementation of their own version of politics :D

It is like a sunday market bazaar, noice and flies.

camooon how many clan admin can lets say 20 clans create....the bottom - up approach is the only option viable rite now the whole centralized shytt wont work :down:

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:31 pm
by Cirwaaq
ciyaal_warta wrote:
Cirwaaq wrote:Problem is "I want".

12million all want implementation of their own version of politics :D

It is like a sunday market bazaar, noice and flies.

camooon how many clan admin can lets say 20 clans create....the bottom - up approach is the only option viable rite now the whole centralized shytt wont work :down:
I am neither detractor nor promoter on your view :)

Maybe you are right.

Mamul gobolo perhabs is the way forward for Somalia :up:

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:39 pm
by Aguardiente
I just barfed on my lunch after reading permanent new constitution by August 2011. I needed the laugh. Thanks Crisis Group.

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:59 pm
by ciyaal_warta
Cirwaaq wrote:
ciyaal_warta wrote:
Cirwaaq wrote:Problem is "I want".

12million all want implementation of their own version of politics :D

It is like a sunday market bazaar, noice and flies.

camooon how many clan admin can lets say 20 clans create....the bottom - up approach is the only option viable rite now the whole centralized shytt wont work :down:
I am neither detractor nor promoter on your view :)

Maybe you are right.

Mamul gobolo perhabs is the way forward for Somalia :up:

yh lets try it may be the solution lies there...we are tired of centralized ineffectual transitional governments bro

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:42 pm
by Murax
Ciyaal where will all these little states get their donar/aid money? You think the worlds economic power houses EU/US/Arab League/Asia will set aside budgets for 10 different geeljire states and engage them seperately? That is delusion. If Somalia cannot get their stuff together and soon then they will eventually be split right down the middle, and Your capitol will be Addis Ababa.



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Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:52 pm
by samadoon-waaxid
ICG(internatinonal crisis group)is a special interest group who make money off poor people's missery.I wouldnt buy too much into their propaganda.

Re: interesting article [Somalia]

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:03 pm
by ciyaal_warta
Murax wrote:Ciyaal where will all these little states get their donar/aid money? You think the worlds economic power houses EU/US/Arab League/Asia will set aside budgets for 10 different geeljire states and engage them seperately? That is delusion. If Somalia cannot get their stuff together and soon then they will eventually be split right down the middle, and Your capitol will be Addis Ababa.



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true bro...its pre-planned thing and trust me we are heading that way if somethings are not fixed :down: :down: