One way of advancing our society

[union]

We need intelligent co-ethnics in order to advance as a soceity. The number of Somali people with advanced degrees is quite low, numbering in a few hundred at the most, with most living outside the Somali state. We as a people need to take active steps in order to increase this number by at least a few thousand, out of nation of 15 or so million.

I propose the following steps:

1.) Administer IQ tests to all children in Somalia and submit the results to a National Education Council.

2.) Kids scoring in the 99th percentile should be selected for special government scholarships paying for their education
abroad from secondary school through university. The Government should set up a special fund for this.

3.) People with advanced degrees should be encouraged to enter into polygamous relationships, preferably with intelligent women.

Intelligence is at least 50% hereditary. Out of the millions of Somali children, at least a few thousand are highly intelligent. We need to find them, isolate them, and help them prosper. Because they'll help us prosper. Previous Somali governments have allocated scholarships based upon tribe and other nonsense, I propose we allocate them totally based on inherent intelligence.

[union]

We need more of these:

Sixteen-year-old Somalia-born schoolboy Abdul Abubakar took first prize at the finals of the 19th European Union Contest for Young Scientists in Valencia last week.

and Less of these:

Dozens of Somali teenagers from North America have gone missing and are reportedly fighting with an Al Qadea affiliated terror group against the internationally backed Transitional Federal Government.

[Shirib]

Intelligence is not hereditary it's just that people with educated parents just tend to value education more

[ciyaal_warta]

i agree with u bro ..but there is one problem u see they are almost 3k somali uni students in malaysia mostly from somalia they are the educated generation of somalia and yet they are divided and qabiil hating each other just like their cousins in baadiye ...education doesn't change somalis..we need their parents to stop feeding them with their qabiil qurun storries and teach them about somalia as a country and proud pple


i feel disappointed with my fellow somalis from somalia

[union]

Intelligence is not hereditary it's just that people with educated parents just tend to value education more

Research has shown that intelligence is hereditary to a degree, with some even suggesting that a great percentage of one's intelligence is hereditary with a smaller amount being environmental.

Personality, looks, and many other traits are hereditary....so why do you not consider intelligence hereditary?

[Shirib]

Intelligence is not hereditary it's just that people with educated parents just tend to value education more

Research has shown that intelligence is hereditary to a degree, with some even suggesting that a great percentage of one's intelligence is hereditary with a smaller amount being environmental.

Personality, looks, and many other traits are hereditary....so why do you not consider intelligence hereditary?

I don't think anything concrete has been said about intelligence being hereditary. If intelligence is hereditary then some people are bound to be smart and others dumb which goes against most everything that academia teaches and suggests. I am no expert on the matter but I don't see how intelligence can be hereditary, especially if we are equating intelligence to education which I believe we are doing.

[Cirwaaq]

1. Exporting you brightest youth to gain education in other countries is a further brain drain with equal risk of resulting in permanent loss to cultural degeneration as withnessed with the high level of homosexuals in the diaspora.

2. Government sponsored polygamy will lead to a state of diminished core family values when a man is not able to divide his time between several households.

3. You place too much value on diaspora contaminated misfits and social rejects from the 1960s to have the interests of the state at heart. When the civilian population is given the opportunity to elect their leadership they will not be advocating for diaspora alcoholics, degenerates, homosexuals and intellectually bankrupt diaspora failures who return to somalia out of desperation.

4. When all clan allocations are set aside and jobs and titles in the state are given on the basis of TEST. Those tests can be forged and in essence the opportunity for Nepotism exists only unseen. Where mankind has an opportunity to exploit a system, exploit they will and when a particular clan somehow dominates a given sector in society a class system is created that gives greater advantages to those who may have had an unfair opportunity to have access to education.

I would instead place a penalty on all diaspora educationed, limit them to School teachers, and social workers as part of the rehabilitation of society. Why give those who escaped the war zone an advantage over the unfortune that did not have the means to escape. I refuse to accept the creation of a diaspora elite that rules over those who experienced 20years of surviving ground zero of somali confilcts.

From 20years of livesupport to a Amisom powered wheelchair? arent you getting ahead of yourself just slightly... State is still in a coma.

[union]

i agree with u bro ..but there is one problem u see they are almost 3k somali uni students in malaysia mostly from somalia they are the educated generation of somalia and yet they are divided and qabiil hating each other just like their cousins in baadiye ...education doesn't change somalis..we need their parents to stop feeding them with their qabiil qurun storries and teach them about somalia as a country and proud pple


i feel disappointed with my fellow somalis from somalia

The students in Malaysia are mostly grown and have been thoroughly corrupted by Somali soceity before being sent abroad. What I am suggesting is that the state take legal guardianship of the children from a young age and send them abroad for most of their education, with periodic trips back to Somalia to meet with their families and experience their culture. They would spend most of their time in cohorts of their own age group of different tribal backgrounds, building relationships and learning together. While it would take a strong central state to build a comprehensive education system in Somalia, I don't think a program like this would take more than one or two million dollars. And the benefits would be impressive, as we'd have a supply of intelligent young people to be our future leaders and intellectuals, free of the plague that is tribalism and with loyal only to the state.

[union]

Intelligence is not hereditary it's just that people with educated parents just tend to value education more

Research has shown that intelligence is hereditary to a degree, with some even suggesting that a great percentage of one's intelligence is hereditary with a smaller amount being environmental.

Personality, looks, and many other traits are hereditary....so why do you not consider intelligence hereditary?

I don't think anything concrete has been said about intelligence being hereditary. If intelligence is hereditary then some people are bound to be smart and others dumb which goes against most everything that academia teaches and suggests. I am no expert on the matter but I don't see how intelligence can be hereditary, especially if we are equating intelligence to education which I believe we are doing.

Intelligence is genetic. That's why some people are smarter than others. Genes are passed on during sexual reproduction, and genes code for intelligence. Am I making sense? Environment plays a role, but genes play an equal or perhaps even greater role in determining an individual's intelligence. That's why the average Di-ck, Harry, and Tom can not match Albert Einstein, nor in the same sense could Einstein have reached his feats of intelligence had he been born into a primitive culture, like say Papua New Guinea.

[Shirib]

union,

I think that the genetics aspect is minimal and it has a lot more to do with environment and opportunities than it does with genes. I don't think some people are inherently more smart than others, and there is little to suggest that there is

[union]

1. Exporting you brightest youth to gain education in other countries is a further brain drain with equal risk of resulting in permanent loss to cultural degeneration as withnessed with the high level of homosexuals in the diaspora.

Somalia does not have a strong education system so therefore sending our brightest to be educated abroad is a must. [/color]

2. Government sponsored polygamy will lead to a state of diminished core family values when a man is not able to divide his time between several households.

The point of promoting polygamy among the intelligent members of soceity is to create intelligent offspring. Family values are irrelevant as the state should take the children under its wing when they stop breastfeeding.

3. You place too much value on diaspora contaminated misfits and social rejects from the 1960s to have the interests of the state at heart. When the civilian population is given the opportunity to elect their leadership they will not be advocating for diaspora alcoholics, degenerates, homosexuals and intellectually bankrupt diaspora failures who return to somalia out of desperation.

Ok....

4. When all clan allocations are set aside and jobs and titles in the state are given on the basis of TEST. Those tests can be forged and in essence the opportunity for Nepotism exists only unseen. Where mankind has an opportunity to exploit a system, exploit they will and when a particular clan somehow dominates a given sector in society a class system is created that gives greater advantages to those who may have had an unfair opportunity to have access to education.

The tests will be administered by an independent, non Somali third party. Also, while tests can be faked-intelligence cannot. It will be pretty easy to spot the privileged who sneak in through favoritism when they don't preform adequately against their peers.

I would instead place a penalty on all diaspora educationed, limit them to School teachers, and social workers as part of the rehabilitation of society. Why give those who escaped the war zone an advantage over the unfortune that did not have the means to escape. I refuse to accept the creation of a diaspora elite that rules over those who experienced 20years of surviving ground zero of somali confilcts.


From 20years of livesupport to a Amisom powered wheelchair? arent you getting ahead of yourself just slightly... State is still in a coma.

[Cirwaaq]

union,

I think that the genetics aspect is minimal and it has a lot more to do with environment and opportunities than it does with genes. I don't think some people are inherently more smart than others, and there is little to suggest that there is

True

Besides Society is no built of pure intellect and which ever sector you evaulte there is a 20/80 split between intelect and labour. 20% formulate the plans and 80% are required to work that plan.

A man that has survived and made a living on the harsh environment of a failed state in my book is far superior to one that has lived a life of hot showers and cereal in a box.

[union]

union,

I think that the genetics aspect is minimal and it has a lot more to do with environment and opportunities than it does with genes. I don't think some people are inherently more smart than others, and there is little to suggest that there is

It's pretty much accepted that intelligence is heritable, the debate only lies in how "much of one's intelligence is hereditary, and how much is due to environment".

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpag ... genics-796

I challenge you to find one legitimate scientific source that says intelligence is not at least partially hereditary.

[union]

union,

I think that the genetics aspect is minimal and it has a lot more to do with environment and opportunities than it does with genes. I don't think some people are inherently more smart than others, and there is little to suggest that there is

True

Besides Society is no built of pure intellect and which ever sector you evaulte there is a 20/80 split between intelect and labour. 20% formulate the plans and 80% are required to work that plan.

A man that has survived and made a living on the harsh environment of a failed state in my book is far superior to one that has lived a life of hot showers and cereal in a box.

You're talking rubbish.

We have plenty of people able to do labor, but we are lacking the engineers and architects and leaders to guide them.

[Cirwaaq]

union,

I think that the genetics aspect is minimal and it has a lot more to do with environment and opportunities than it does with genes. I don't think some people are inherently more smart than others, and there is little to suggest that there is

True

Besides Society is no built of pure intellect and which ever sector you evaulte there is a 20/80 split between intelect and labour. 20% formulate the plans and 80% are required to work that plan.

A man that has survived and made a living on the harsh environment of a failed state in my book is far superior to one that has lived a life of hot showers and cereal in a box.

You're talking rubbish.

We have plenty of people able to do laborers, but we are lacking the engineers and architects and leaders to guide them.

You need to learn to respect the opinion or others, much of what is being exchanged in view points and individual exposure to understanding of social characteristics and potential of people is pure opinions on this forum. No opinion is superior to the other. We are not experts on the subject nor is anyone presenting facts or research findings. Restrain that barbaric thought of "you are right above all others"



Intellectuals are bred in harsh environments and it is easy to thus assume 20% of all somali intellectual potential are all within somalia as the weak tend to escape from difficulty. Diaspora community should only be employed under the leadership of residents who have gained their skills on the ground. Majority of these diaspora cowards are emotionally unstable and unfit to long term functions.