Museveni threatens to pullout of Somalia

[Voltage]

if elections happen and as he says "this gives the rebels to take advantage of the transition". This is a whole new development in the ball game and it shows Museveni has now reached the zenith of trying to influence Somalia's political future and show that out of all the stakeholders, he is the most invested in terms of men on the ground. Let us see how Mahiga and the UN take this

Museveni says UPDF could leave Somalia

President Museveni yesterday warned that Uganda would withdraw its troops from Mogadishu if UN-pushed presidential and parliamentary elections in Somalia spark renewed assault by al-Shabaab militants.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/ ... c0w5mrz/-/

[Somalian_Boqor]

Interesting development...

[RovingMadness]

LOL, and you were attacking me in the other thread when I said the views of the AU and especially the troop contributing countries can not be ignored? You are a master of shooting yourself in the foot

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

BULL .......... SHIIIIT!

He threatened the same thing when the UN released the human rights abuses in the Congo done by his troops. He is far too important to even be allowed to pull out. Shit, the UN would probably kill 50 Cent and give his entire wealth to Museveni just to make him happy.

Some things I learned about the world and especially about Somalia is, nothing extreme ever happens. Especially in tightly-controlled cases like the Al-Shabaab containment mission. One of the few things I'd bet on my life would be against the significant withdrawal of AU troops from Somalia. Russia, China, EU, US, UN, AU, Arab League, f-king even Bolivia is clenching its ass cheeks over what may come out of Somalia in the next few years; I've never seen the UN Security Council more concerned about a scenario, even Afghanistan doesn't receive this kind of attention - and personally I don't know why, I personally viewed Somalia as being unimportant in anyone's hands, but the world doesn't agree.

[RovingMadness]

Museveni is making the SAME EXACT argument that I made. Great minds think alike

[RovingMadness]

BULL .......... SHIIIIT!

He threatened the same thing when the UN released the human rights abuses in the Congo done by his troops. He is far too important to even be allowed to pull out. Shit, the UN would probably kill 50 Cent and give his entire wealth to Museveni just to make him happy.

Some things I learned about the world and especially about Somalia is, nothing extreme ever happens. Especially in tightly-controlled cases like the Al-Shabaab containment mission. One of the few things I'd bet on my life would be against the significant withdrawal of AU troops from Somalia.

That threat was made under a different context and at any rate, the UN did in fact slow down with their witch hunt mission against Museveni and he was in fact able to go on the diplomatic offense, isolate his political enemies and drive his way to reelection.

However, Uganda saying it would pull back its troops if the International Community took steps that would undermine the progress and achievements made by AMISOM troops against Al Shabab and the other Al Qaida affiliated groups in Somalia, which Uganda is an integral part is indeed a game changer and it shows the seriousness of the AU leaders in their determination to take an active role in the war in Somalia.It is a welcome step and the Ugandan leader has taken a very bold step.

As he was making this speech, he was also landing 4000 extra troops in Somalia, none of the other actors present can match his contribution and it makes sense that he would play a vital role in the stabilization of Somalia. These fantastic conspiracy theories of the West having agendas and particular interests minus terrorism is pure bullcrap.

[Voltage]

LOL, and you were attacking me in the other thread when I said the views of the AU and especially the troop contributing countries can not be ignored? You are a master of shooting yourself in the foot

Yes they can, Museveni has some altruism in Somalia but he gets massive developmental support from the US for his Somalia troop contribution and a turning of the other cheek to his slowness in advancing the democratic process there. If you remember, Museveni also supported the Sheikh Sharif and Farmaajo in their refusal to attend the Nairobi conference and we know how far that went. If you read between the lines, Museveni is actually trying to test the waters to see how far he can go. For example, he didn't say they will pullout if elections happen. He said they could decide to pullout if elections happen and that gives momentum to Al Shabaab to advance. He is basically leaning on the uncertainties of post-election to try to advance his position without taking a definitive position on whether or not elections should or should not happen.

I think time will tell and it will be seen if the UN/Donor countries call him out for bluff or take his standing position of supporting the current executives seriously.

There could also be something selfish about this and Museveni is simply taking advantage of a good opportunity to increase the compensation he gets for being in Somalia.

[RovingMadness]

In response, Mr Sharif said he and Dr Mahiga had not met in a “long time” and the latter “it seems is not aware of what has been going on. May be he needs more details”. The public disagreements among key stakeholders played out in Kampala as fighting between al Shabaab radicals, government forces and AU troops centering on the strategic Bakara Market intensified in Mogadishu - with 17 civilians reported killed yesterday.

This comment delivered by Sharif during the conference in front of Mahiga and the entire International Community. What a slap in the face

[RovingMadness]

LOL, and you were attacking me in the other thread when I said the views of the AU and especially the troop contributing countries can not be ignored? You are a master of shooting yourself in the foot

Yes they can, Museveni has some altruism in Somalia but he gets massive developmental support from the US for his Somalia troop contribution and a turning of the other chick to his slowness in advancing the democratic process there. If you remember, Museveni also supported the Sheikh Sharif and Farmaajo in their refusal to attend the Nairobi conference and we know how far that went. If you read between the lines, Museveni is actually trying to test the waters to see how far he can go. For example, he didn't say they will pullout if elections happen. He said they could decide to pullout if elections happen and that gives momentum to Al Shabaab to advance. He is basically leaning on the uncertainties of post-election to try to advance his position without taking a definitive position on whether or not elections should or should not happen.

I think time will tell and it will be seen if the UN/Donor countries call him out for bluff or take his standing position of supporting the current executives seriously.

There could also be something selfish about this and Museveni is simply taking advantage of a good opportunity to increase the compensation he gets for being in Somalia.

Political talk 101

We all know how fabulously successful the Nairobi talks were from being an event to "chart the future of Somalia" to Mahiga hysterically whining that it was just a consultive talks aimed at bridging the gaps to him agreeing that the REAL Transition Conference would take place in Mogadishu under the auspices of the Somali government which was the view of Sharif and the TFG all along.

If elections do in fact take place against the wishes and recommendations of the commanders on the ground, then a serious mistrust would certainly develop between the financiers of the AMISOM mission and the troop contributing countries which will affect the nature of the war and ultimately forcing countries to pull back their troops. It is a series of if/then scenarios and it will depend on the first move and hence why Museveni's statement is powerful.

[Voltage]

This comment delivered by Sharif during the conference in front of Mahiga and the entire International Community. What a slap in the face

That is a slap in the face to be honest and that Tanzanian deserves it.

[TheblueNwhite]

[Voltage]

Political talk 101

We all know how fabulously successful the Nairobi talks were from being an event to "chart the future of Somalia" to Mahiga hysterically whining that it was just a consultive talks aimed at bridging the gaps to him agreeing that the REAL Transition Conference would take place in Mogadishu under the auspices of the Somali government which was the view of Sharif and the TFG all along.

If elections do in fact take place against the wishes and recommendations of the commanders on the ground, then a serious mistrust would certainly develop between the financiers of the AMISOM mission and the troop contributing countries which will affect the nature of the war and ultimately forcing countries to pull back their troops. It is a series of if/then scenarios and it will depend on the first move and hence why Museveni's statement is powerful.

I was never a fan of the Nairobi talks and I was probably the most out-spoken person against it here. However, it cannot be forgotten that Somalia is basically an ungoverned space now dictated to by the whims of powerful Western countries. I don't believe Museveni's statement is powerful at all. Museveni has been in Mogadishu at times when hope was bleak and political squabbling was worse then this. What kept him there was the compensation he gets from the West. Uganda for a small country is in the three recipients of aid in Africa as a whole and the democratic process started under pressure from the Bush administration has basically been halted and ignored by the West due to his importance in giving troops to Somalia. I truly believe there is a lot more to meet the eye and in time we will see. I wouldn't put it past Museveni in simply taking advantage of a good opportunity to get higher compensation in order to placate him (or as I call it shut him up). But then he could possibly be serious in his support for the current executives in which case time will tell.

[waryaa]

Museveni says UPDF could leave Somalia

President Museveni yesterday warned that Uganda would withdraw its troops from Mogadishu if UN-pushed presidential and parliamentary elections in Somalia spark renewed assault by al-Shabaab militants.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/ ... c0w5mrz/-/

Not new to me I can tell you with certainty that the current onslaught on Bakara market was a political stunt by the TFG and AMISOM. They wanted to convince the UN/west that they are making progress. There's no coincidence about the timing of this assault which did not go as planned. I remember saying (on this board) that the TFG has many buttons to push and won't go down easily. They still have more ammo to use


I am pro current regime for personal reasons, not for cry me a river fake patriotism like many of us I hope the TFG comes out victoriously

[RovingMadness]

Political talk 101

We all know how fabulously successful the Nairobi talks were from being an event to "chart the future of Somalia" to Mahiga hysterically whining that it was just a consultive talks aimed at bridging the gaps to him agreeing that the REAL Transition Conference would take place in Mogadishu under the auspices of the Somali government which was the view of Sharif and the TFG all along.

If elections do in fact take place against the wishes and recommendations of the commanders on the ground, then a serious mistrust would certainly develop between the financiers of the AMISOM mission and the troop contributing countries which will affect the nature of the war and ultimately forcing countries to pull back their troops. It is a series of if/then scenarios and it will depend on the first move and hence why Museveni's statement is powerful.

I was never a fan of the Nairobi talks and I was probably the most out-spoken person against it here. However, it cannot be forgotten that Somalia is basically an ungoverned space now dictated to by the whims of powerful Western countries. I don't believe Museveni's statement is powerful at all. Museveni has been in Mogadishu at times when hope was bleak and political squabbling was worse then this. What kept him there was the compensation he gets from the West. Uganda for a small country is in the three recipients of aid in Africa as a whole and the democratic process started under pressure from the Bush administration has basically been halted and ignored by the West due to his importance in giving troops to Somalia. I truly believe there is a lot more to meet the eye and in time we will see. I wouldn't put it past Museveni in simply taking advantage of a good opportunity to get higher compensation in order to placate him (or as I call it shut him up). But then he could possibly be serious in his support for the current executives in which case time will tell.

Again, that is the sensible thing to do for any leader. You play the cards to your advantage and no-one can fault Museveni for doing so.

[RovingMadness]

Museveni says UPDF could leave Somalia

President Museveni yesterday warned that Uganda would withdraw its troops from Mogadishu if UN-pushed presidential and parliamentary elections in Somalia spark renewed assault by al-Shabaab militants.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/ ... c0w5mrz/-/

Not new to me I can tell you with certainty that the current onslaught on Bakara market was a political stunt by the TFG and AMISOM. They wanted to convince the UN/west that they are making progress. There's no coincidence about the timing of this assault which did not go as planned. I remember saying (on this board) that the TFG has many buttons to push and won't go down easily. They still have more ammo to use


I am pro current regime for personal reasons, not for cry me a river fake patriotism like many of us I hope the TFG comes out victoriously

You probably also believe that Justin Bieber is the greatest singer since the Beatles, dont you?