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Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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It is requirement in Islam, it's in Qur'an, in words of Allah(SWT), yet many people say it's nowhere does it say in Qur'an or tries to argue with it.

What do you think about this?

(I am not talking about women only, it also goes for men too).
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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some pple are trying to paint as wahabi thing or something from arabs while they read quran everyday subhanallah
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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I don't speak Arabic but as far as I am aware the argument is that in the Quran it says something equivalent to "cover your adornments" and not strictly "hair" although "cleavage" is clearly mentioned.

I don't know. If the point of hijab is to cover what makes a woman attractive, hair would be on my list so whether it says it or not to me it's common sense.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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Because they are either deviants or jahils. One is blamesworthy for rejecting the ayat of Allah, the other has failed to seek knowledge.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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BlackVelvet wrote:I don't speak Arabic but as far as I am aware the argument is that in the Quran it says something equivalent to "cover your adornments" and not strictly "hair" although "cleavage" is clearly mentioned.

I don't know. If the point of hijab is to cover what makes a woman attractive, hair would be on my list so whether it says it or not to me it's common sense.
When it comes to the teaching of Islam, "i don't speak Arabic and as far as am aware" is not enough to make an argument in defence of what you have no understanding of. If you are not sure either do proper research, ask someone who is in a position to answer your question or just keep quiet.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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934 wrote:
BlackVelvet wrote:I don't speak Arabic but as far as I am aware the argument is that in the Quran it says something equivalent to "cover your adornments" and not strictly "hair" although "cleavage" is clearly mentioned.

I don't know. If the point of hijab is to cover what makes a woman attractive, hair would be on my list so whether it says it or not to me it's common sense.
When it comes to the teaching of Islam, "i don't speak Arabic and as far as am aware" is not enough to make an argument in defence of what you have no understanding of. If you are not sure either do proper research, ask someone who is in a position to answer your question or just keep quiet.
Read my sentence again, understand what it is saying and then come back with a relevant response. If you don't understand the concept, don't be shy, let me know and I will take the trouble of explaining it.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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Talking back is not attractive and trying to portray oneself as a strong liberal women is un-Islamic.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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To be fair it's not exactly clear in the Qu'ran what exactly is required to be modest, which is perhaps deliberate in leaving that definition up to society.

I think Hijab is a cultural thing more than a religious thing, I mean these women here aren't dressed provocatively, they are wearing modest clothes:

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But they're Bosnian Muslims so their style of dress is more western.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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934 wrote:Talking back is not attractive and trying to portray oneself as a strong liberal women is un-Islamic.
Still irrelevant.

There are 3 sentences, the first one tries to understand the point of view that the OP is referring to, the last one states my own outlook. If you have a problem with the first take it up with the ones who carry it, if you have a problem with the last, well then I guess common sense aint so common after all.


ps being a misogynistic prat is not Islamic. Don't know what you're used to but as long as you're here you are going to have to come to terms with being called out on any bull. :)
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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Is not your fault, is living in the west and too much tv.

May Allah de-brainwash you! :D
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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James are those people Muslim? Your argument was interesting but that photo kills it. It's not just the hair that's uncovered, their arms, their chests, one is wearing a short skirt :down: :lol:
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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From what i read the hijab is important in Islam same way a beard/khamis etc is Sunnah for Men. At the same time i don't think that if someone doesn't wear it they aren't "Muslim". I don't judge people against their faith based on their outer exterior or whether or not they adhere to what is mandated. People don't need to justify themselves. It's up to them and Allah. So calling someone a non-Muslim only hurts you, it's dambi.

Normally when one states this is wajib or this is haraam in Islam and in the same sentence calls those who disagree Kaafirs/Jahils etc its usually those who aren't fully aware of what the Qur'an actually means. They will say they read the Qur'an, they will say they can recite any Ayat but they don't know what it actually means. They haven't UNDERSTOOD the Qur'an word for word. They'll sprout their own interpretations but they won't state what the Qur'an actually says. Don't just paste an ayat that fits what your saying, you have to understand the context it was said etc, the Qur'an also mentions certain topics multiple times to give us a deeper understanding and rule out any misinterpretations.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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BlackVelvet wrote:James are those people Muslim? Your argument was interesting but that photo kills it. It's not just the hair that's uncovered, their arms, their chests, one is wearing a short skirt :down: :lol:
Bosnia (the non-Serb half) is majority Muslim.

The Balkan fashion of the older generations is more Ottoman Empire inspired:
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Some younger women wear Hijab.

And yeah only Muslims pray like that, Christians clasp their hands when they pray.
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Re: Why do a lot of Muslims say Hijaab is not requirement?

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So, what do the Quran and Sunna say about hijab? There are two ayat of the Quran that deal with hijab. These are Surah an-Nur ayah 31 and Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59. Let's look at what these ayat say, and how the Prophet (sAas) has explained them.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

Wa qul li al-mu'minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfazna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa zahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu'ulatihinna aw aba'ihinna aw aba'i bu'ulatihinna aw abna'ihinna aw abna'i bu'ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa'ihinna aw maa malakat aymanu hunna aw at-tabi'ina ghayri ulu'l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl alladhina lam yazharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu'lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami'an, ayyuha al-mu'minun la'allakum tuflihun

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 says:

Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu'minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu'rafna fa laa yu'dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

Together, these two ayat lay out seven commandments for Muslim sisters:

"to lower their gazes"
"to guard their private parts"
"not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it"
"to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms"
"not to display their beauty except to their husbands or their fathers..."
"not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide"
"to draw their outergarments close around themselves"
It can be seen that three of these commandments relate to behavior. These are:

lowering the gaze
guarding the private parts
not striking the feet on the ground so as to give knowledge of what is hidden
Lowering the gaze means not looking at what is forbidden to be seen of others. Guarding the private parts means that only the husband is allowed to see or touch them. Not giving knowledge of what is hidden means not posturing or strutting around so as to jangle hidden jewelry or make men think about hidden body parts. All of these are part of what Allah SWT has commanded in regard to hijab.

The other four commandments relate to dress, and can really be expressed as three rules:

not displaying the beauty beyond "what is apparent of it" except to the people listed in 24:31
extending the headcovering to cover the bosom
drawing the outergarment close around


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