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US Debt Ceiling Crisis

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Not looking too good. The world is gonna be in a recession after Aug 2. Get ready folks, it's gonna affect you.

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President Barack Obama abruptly walked out of a stormy debt-limit meeting with congressional leaders Wednesday, throwing into serious doubt the already shaky negotiations, according to GOP sources “He shoved back and said ‘I’ll see you tomorrow’ and walked out,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told reporters in the Capitol after the meeting. On a day when the Moody’s rating agency warned that American debt could be downgraded, the White House talks blew up amid a new round of sniping between Obama and Cantor, who are fast becoming bitter enemies.

When Cantor said the two sides were too far apart to get a deal that could pass the House by the Treasury Department’s Aug. 2 deadline —and that he would consider moving a short-term debt-limit increase alongside smaller spending cuts —Obama began to lecture him. “Eric, don’t call my bluff,” the president said, warning Cantor that he would take his case “to the American people.” He told Cantor that no other president —not Ronald Reagan, the president said —would put up with the treatment he was getting from the House majority leader.

Democratic sources dispute Cantor’s version of Obama’s walk out, but all sides agree that the two had a blow up. The sources described Obama as "impassioned” but said he didn’t exactly storm out of the room. “Cantor’s account of tonight’s meeting is completely overblown. For someone who knows how to walk out of a meeting, you’d think he know it when he saw it,” a Democratic aide said. “Cantor rudely interrupted the president three times to advocate for short-term debt ceiling increases while the president was wrapping the meeting. This is just more juvenile behavior from him and Boehner needs to rein him in, and let the grown-ups get to work. “

On exiting the room, Obama reportedly said that “this confirms the totality of what the American people already believe” about Washington, said a Democratic official familiar with debt negotiations, that officials are “too focused on positioning and political posturing” to make difficult choices. The latest and sharpest in a series of harsh exchanges between the two leaders heightened concern that markets could crash at any time amid fear of a reduction in the rating on once-ironclad U.S. debt.

Cantor accused the president and congressional Democrats of progressively low-balling, over the last several days, the savings that could be achieved from proposals discussed by Vice President Joe Biden’s working group on deficit reduction. Cantor warned that the group has not identified enough cuts to win House passage of a $2.5 trillion debt-limit increase —the size the president says is needed to get through the 2012 election, sources told POLITICO. Obama told Cantor that he would either have to agree to tax increases or give up on his demand that the debt hike be matched dollar-to-dollar to the cuts —that is, $2.5 trillion in deficit-reduction over 10 years in exchange for a $2.5 trillion hike in the debt ceiling.

He said that the negotiators should return to the White House Thursday to discuss savings from health care programs, budget caps and options for raising revenue. “Then he said we also ought to get in the mode here, because we’re going to have to decide by Friday which way we’re going,” Cantor said. “He said really we ought to all start to think about things we can do rather than things we can’t.” That’s when Cantor said he would be willing to abandon his own insistence on having just one vote on the debt ceiling if they could agree to a smaller package of cuts in exchange for a shorter-term hike that would require another increase before the 2010 election.

But Obama said he wouldn’t do the debt-limit increase incrementally and that he would veto a short-term bill. “That’s when he got very agitated,” Cantor told reporters. “Obama lit him up. Cantor sat in stunned silence,” said an official in the meeting. “It was incredible. If the public saw Obama he would win in a landslide.” House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said no progress was made in the Wednesday talks. “The president is spending a lot of time and effort to get us to an agreement, and it is tough,” Hoyer said.

Cantor said he’s trying to inform the group of what House members will agree to pass. “I’m trying to represent where the votes are in the House. and we’ve always said the votes in the House are consistent with the principles that the speaker’s laid out that we’ve been operating on,” Cantor said. “It is dollar-for-dollar match, it is the no tax increase and it is this other subject that we are discussing tomorrow the enforcement mechanisms … I understand why he’s frustrated. But again, we’re trying to get this thing done, and that’s why I was a little taken aback.”
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not recession, i mean a global depression :lol:

dollar is gonna collapse
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Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
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Damn republicans had no problem raising it 7 times during the decider's adminstration

xaski_cigaal, aid to israel, ridiculous milatary spending and taxes cuts for the rich is ok with this folks. however investing in healthcare and education, ah who cares :)
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union wrote:Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
if there is no agreement on Aug 2, it'll definitely be the Republicans because they are the majority in the House and this is their own initiative
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That's what I hope too Fah, but American voters are retarded. Any further economic problems they may just put the blame on Obama. I think that's what the republicans are betting on by doing this.
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union wrote:Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
i think obama is in deep shit if the unemployment number stays where it is. thats what the voters will look at the end of the day. however him going against the current GOP
presidential hopefulls, it might be a easy cruise for him. i hope bachmann wins 8-)
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Paint for us how this will affect individual lives? More job losses? Not my problem, I don't do traditional work. Goods become expensive? I'll eat bread and water. Paint for me what's going to change.

Secondly, I wish this shit happened in a few more months so I'd have enough money to flee the country and live comfortably elsewhere. :|
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u gotta give it to the republicans. They have 'balls'. They stand their ground no matter what. Bullies to the end. They will never given in at all. It is only democrats who r sissies who compromise. Obama is pretending he has grown some balls but thats a bit of a theatre. I like the republicans---walaahi if they had their way--i mean --if american democracy was not so divided, fair and the best on the universe-- they would have eliminated all welfare, all mexicans and adoons--and deported them respectively to their homeland. :lol: Then, they would have gone to every village and give the white familys who have done a good job marrying and reproducing blue eyed kids and pat them on the shoulder and offer them hugs and promise to cut their taxes. Then they would have gone to every gay community, infected them with aids and slaughter any adoon who has a white girl friend. :lol: :lol: :lol: Dont u find yourself compelled to offer your body and breasts to men with such strong vigor and stance? :roll:
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quark wrote:
union wrote:Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
i think obama is in deep shit if the unemployment number stays where it is. thats what the voters will look at the end of the day. however him going against the current GOP
presidential hopefulls, it might be a easy cruise for him. i hope bachmann wins 8-)
Romney will most likely win. Bachmann seems too radical even for republicans.

Romney is a dangerous candidate because he is a competent businessman executive. But he's a Mormon and he supported public healthcare so he has a lot of liabilities with the far right. Then again, someone like Mike Huckabee could win and then we could just "pray as a nation" and hope Jesus gets us through this. :roll:
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quark wrote:
union wrote:Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
i think obama is in deep shit if the unemployment number stays where it is. thats what the voters will look at the end of the day. however him going against the current GOP
presidential hopefulls, it might be a easy cruise for him. i hope bachmann wins 8-)
None of the GOP candidates are going to beat Obama. He is too good on the campaign trail and a lot of you niccaz forget that due to his record so far as the executive.

In fact, should there be a default... GOP leaders are already saying that it would destroy their party.
the GOP had two choices: Either make a bad deal — from their perspective — with Obama or take the country into default, which, McConnell suggested would do even more damage to the party. He compared the situation to 1995, when the GOP forced a government shutdown.

“We know that’s going to happen. Just like we knew shutting down the government in 1995 was not going to work for us,” he said. “It helped Bill Clinton get reelected. I refuse to help Barack Obama get reelected.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 0042.story
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:roll:

fah i think u r very deluded to have so much confident in Obama winning. Read your history and see where carters polls was and how he was defeated. Winston Churchill helped win the second world war, he was viewed unbeatable, and the next election he was categorically thrown out! :lol:
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Fah don't you remember what happened when the economy was going to hell in end of '08, and the U.S. Treasury held an emergency close meeting with congress, telling them if they don't pass this stimulus bill the economy was going to collapse, people would protest, and there would be martial law. Same shit is going to happen, don't forget our fourth branch of government.
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Basra the GOP is stupid. In this deal they would have the opportunity to slash social security benefits. This is fuckin' once in a lifetime opportunity! You can always find the goodwill to lower taxes, but cutting entitlement benefits is a rare opportunity. The republican party has failed center-right voters. :down:
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union wrote:
quark wrote:
union wrote:Will voters take their outrage out on the republicans or the democrats in 2012? This is what I'm wondering. :|
i think obama is in deep shit if the unemployment number stays where it is. thats what the voters will look at the end of the day. however him going against the current GOP
presidential hopefulls, it might be a easy cruise for him. i hope bachmann wins 8-)
Romney will most likely win. Bachmann seems too radical even for republicans.

Romney is a dangerous candidate because he is a competent businessman executive. But he's a Mormon and he supported public healthcare so he has a lot of liabilities with the far right. Then again, someone like Mike Huckabee could win and then we could just "pray as a nation" and hope Jesus gets us through this. :roll:
:lol: :lol: the stupid christian right will never vote for him and they make a sizable marjority in GOP primaries.
FAH, its all about the economy sxb. thats all what the voters care about and with over 9% unemployement rate i say his in trouble.
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