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Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:37 am
by quark
I am curious of the opinions of fellow members. Please vote and give your opinions which system you favor and why you dont like the other
keep it clean and discuss the issue as adults. let the debate begin
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:38 am
by Shirib
I support federalism, I don't support semi autonomous states.
At the end of the day the federal government needs to get the final say
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:40 am
by Alchemist
I support shirib for president
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:41 am
by haxxor
Federalism doesn't work unless there is central government. States can't have equal power over each others otherwise it would result into fighting. Also, there is division. More divisions there is, more likely there is fighting between division. USA learned this lesson, and hope we do not have to learn this. Maybe federalism is good if there is few states, maybe less than 5 preferably 3.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:43 am
by Methylamine
Not sure.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:47 am
by Coeus
Federalism is the theory or advocacy of federal principles for dividing powers between member units and common institutions. Unlike in a unitary state, sovereignty in federal political orders is non-centralized, often constitutionally, between at least two levels so that units at each level have final authority and can be self governing in some issue area. Citizens thus have political obligations to, or have their rights secured by, two authorities. The division of power between the member unit and center may vary, typically the center has powers regarding defense and foreign policy, but member units may also have international roles.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:47 am
by quark
shrib, elaborate further sxb. whats the point of having such a system?
haxxor, they will be a central goverment in this system that handles foreign policy, national border, army etc its just states run their day to day affairs
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:50 am
by Shirib
quark,
Im not sure what you're asking. Are you asking what's the point of having federalism?
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:51 am
by quark
never mind bro
i got your point thx
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:44 pm
by XimanJaale
Federalism won't work in Somalia, it will only become Qabilism. 1 people 1 language 1 religion its simple really: Central government its the only way. This is the only way to become a strong country.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:13 pm
by quark
XimanJaale wrote:Federalism won't work in Somalia, it will only become Qabilism. 1 people 1 language 1 religion its simple really: Central government its the only way. This is the only way to become a strong country.
1 people 1 language 1 religion mashallah are all good things to share but, in my opinion central system wont work in somalia. 20 yrs of chaos is all the prove you need. Thanks for your input
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:18 pm
by Coeus
quark wrote:XimanJaale wrote:Federalism won't work in Somalia, it will only become Qabilism. 1 people 1 language 1 religion its simple really: Central government its the only way. This is the only way to become a strong country.
1 people 1 language 1 religion mashallah are all good things to share but, in my opinion central system wont work in somalia. 20 yrs of chaos is all the prove you need. Thanks for your input
The Anarchy is not the fault of the central goverment. In actuality it is because of the
absence of the central goverment that Somalia detoriated to this stage.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:05 pm
by Knight of Wisdom
Coeus wrote:quark wrote:XimanJaale wrote:Federalism won't work in Somalia, it will only become Qabilism. 1 people 1 language 1 religion its simple really: Central government its the only way. This is the only way to become a strong country.
1 people 1 language 1 religion mashallah are all good things to share but, in my opinion central system wont work in somalia. 20 yrs of chaos is all the prove you need. Thanks for your input
The Anarchy is not the fault of the central goverment. In actuality it is because of the
absence of the central goverment that Somalia detoriated to this stage.
Central Government creates STRONG unity, where as Federal System will create division and animosity between the different Somali clans, thus we'll forget to compete against our Foreign enemies.
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:26 pm
by quark
coeus and Kow, whats preventing us from forming a central goverment for the past 20yrs? for the folks who voted yes, please give your reasons
Re: Federalism
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:31 pm
by Knight of Wisdom
quark wrote:coeus and Kow, whats preventing us from forming a central goverment for the past 20yrs? for the folks who voted yes, please give your reasons
Apparently, the lack of good leadership. For the past 20 years, we've been supporting and putting our trust in warlords and corrupt leaders into putting Somalia back on it's feet.
For instance, I bet you are a staunch supporter of Cabdullahi Yusuf, a well-known Warlord, Mass Murderer, Traitor, Corrupt and a Coward. You would support him blindly and if anyone would be against him, you would forfeit your support for SOMALIA.
It's time we change the Political Dynamics in Somalia. It's time we introduce, well-educated, Politicians, who have ZERO barbaric history. Men and Women who have not committed treason against Somalia, who have not killed thousands in the name of Qabil. That's what Somalia needs and that's the only way we can build a Central Government for Somalia.