Udun, Come Right In !

[Knight of Wisdom]

Why do you hate the idea of a DHULBAHANTE STATE so much? How could a Dhulbahante hate his clan to have a State of it's own?

If you hate the SSC Mamuul, then that's something understandable. I too, don't like the SSC Mamuul, for they have not done much for the SSC people or SSC State.

[udun]

Man people don't know if you are what you claim to be, so not sure if you're reerka!

As for me hating any clan, listen I told you when folks were running with SSC Hogaanka Booga Booga, it is going to fail. Youwere all fighting me at that time. You should have gone back why I posted at that time and reasons that I used to list. The failure of SSC Hogaanka Booga Booga 1 has vindicated my views. Is that in dispute now?

Secondly, this Khaatumo Group is following the same pattern. Afterall, the same men who were pulling the strings behind the scene on SSC 1 are using this one also. Look beyond the empty slogans. Your uncle Udun knows a lot than you do

Question is why are they failing? Simple answer: They are never pursuing what they are claiming: Hypocrisy in worst form. They never want to gear the population to confront SL. As a matter fact, they want seats and positions in the SL government. Make no mistake about it, those are the facts. Siilaanyo and G6 are in collusion with one thing and he has given them list of things to fulfill, and as long as you and many others are giving your money and trust, you will be disappointed for a long time. Rest assured, you will see the sorrow marked on many who will be disappointed again. Have you ever heard of "Hooyadii ka guuryaa aayadii umma negaado" or "Ninkii meel laga jecelyahay ka tagaa meel laga necebyahay buu tagaa" - I hope you get the meaning of those Somali great proverbs.

For me, I have settled with PL since 1998 and I am sticking with it. It is the only entity that has our mandate. I aint no flip floper!

[Knight of Wisdom]

Man people don't know if you are what you claim to be, so not sure if you're reerka!

As for me hating any clan, listen I told you when folks were running with SSC Hogaanka Booga Booga, it is going to fail. Youwere all fighting me at that time. You should have gone back why I posted at that time and reasons that I used to list. The failure of SSC Hogaanka Booga Booga 1 has vindicated my views. Is that in dispute now?

Secondly, this Khaatumo Group is following the same pattern. Afterall, the same men who were pulling the strings behind the scene on SSC 1 are using this one also. Look beyond the empty slogans. Your uncle Udun knows a lot than you do

Question is why are they failing? Simple answer: They are never pursuing what they are claiming: Hypocrisy in worst form. They never want to gear the population to confront SL. As a matter fact, they want seats and positions in the SL government. Make no mistake about it, those are the facts. Siilaanyo and G6 are in collusion with one thing and he has given them list of things to fulfill, and as long as you and many others are giving your money and trust, you will be disappointed for a long time. Rest assured, you will see the sorrow marked on many who will be disappointed again. Have you ever heard of "Hooyadii ka guuryaa aayadii umma negaado" or "Ninkii meel laga jecelyahay ka tagaa meel laga necebyahay buu tagaa" - I hope you get the meaning of those Somali great proverbs.

For me, I have settled with PL since 1998 and I am sticking with it. It is the only entity that has our mandate. I aint no flip floper!

Udun, if you trace back my posts, you'll see that I was Anti-Hogaanka SSC, but not the idea of a Dhulbahante State, that comprises of Sool, Sanaag and Cay. It's two different things.

I've always said that many amongst the Hogaanka SSC are Pro-Somaliland, secretly and that some are also, Pro-Puntland at the same time. Nonetheless, that didn't make me be Anti-SSC, as in a State for the Dhulbahante clan.

100% of Dhulbahante were Pro-Puntland in 1998. But, as time went on, things have changed. Puntland became a Majeerteen State. I don't know if you watched the Video Clip of Col. Carays, the Omar Maxamuud guy in Sool back in 2003 or 2004, when he was exchanging Prisoners with Somaliland, he told Nux Tani, that there is no reason for anyone to die for "These dirty mountains".

Udun, you're an Idealist. The way you think, is and was the right way. Keeping that Hartinimo Unity alive, but....what you're avoiding is the reality. The reality is, Majeerteen are only after their interest. They don't have Dhulbahante's interest at heart. It's a proven fact. Since 1998, what has Dhulbahante benefited from the Establishment of Puntland? Economically, the only places that have prospered within Puntland are all Majeerteen areas. The only places within Puntland that has benefited from UN-Aid, whether it be Police Vehicles, whether it be Medicine-aid, whether it be improving roads, with UN-Aid were all Majeerteen areas.

The funny thing is, prior to 2007, Laascaanood was in the hands of Puntland....and I'm sure you've seen Laascaanood how it was when Somaliland came. The Police Station wasn't even renovated, let alone having any Government Institution functioning as they were in Boosaaso, Garoowe and Galkaacyo.

Udun, for you to have a Dhulbahante-State at heart, isn't "Flip Flopping", it's called...being a Realist and putting your Clan's interest first, rather then...thinking about wax la yidhado "Harti" that apparently died.

Why would you associate any MEETING or SHIRWAYNE Dhulbahante, to unite Beesha Dhulbahante to "Hoogaanka SSC"? It doesn't make sense.

[udun]

Waryaahee ha wareerin. Shirweyne dan lagaga hadlayaa ma jiro. Waa mashruuc Siilaanyo iyo maamulka Isaaqiya lagaga rabo kuraas. Marka yaan laguugu gaban Shirweyne beesha ah. Addeerkaa Udun waa kula taliyey.

For development in our regions, blame it on us and not the PL administration. Mark my words, nobody stops us from developing our regions. Do you know the largest NGOs in PL are run by Dhulbahante. Lately, PL has conducted many development projects in our regions and should be applauded.

There is a Dhulbahante maamul and that is PL. Look no further, that is our maamul. Apparently, many of us have chosen to chase mirage afarta jiho, and we need to stop blaming the rest of fellow Hartis and Daaroods in PL. In my world, no blame game is allowed. We should look inward fopr our shortcomings. How can diaspora politicians who have never done any thingh for us keep us chasing mirage afarta jiho, get real.

Aan talo kusiiyo, meesha SHIRWEYNE Dhulbahante ahi ma jiro. Ma aragtay liiska nimanka dibada ay ka direen, aqoonse ma u leedahay? Kuligood waa SL supporters. Durbaankan la garaacayo haku qaldamin. Weligaas haddaad aragtid shirar dhamaan waaya oo laga hadlayo, MUNAAFAQAD weyn baa ku jirta. Sidaa ula soco!

[Knight of Wisdom]

Waryaahee ha wareerin. Shirweyne dan lagaga hadlayaa ma jiro. Waa mashruuc Siilaanyo iyo maamulka Isaaqiya lagaga rabo kuraas. Marka yaan laguugu gaban Shirweyne beesha ah. Addeerkaa Udun waa kula taliyey.

For development in our regions, blame it on us and not the PL administration. Mark my words, nobody stops us from developing our regions. Do you know the largest NGOs in PL are run by Dhulbahante. Lately, PL has conducted many development projects in our regions and should be applauded.

There is a Dhulbahante maamul and that is PL. Look no further, that is our maamul. Apparently, many of us have chosen to chase mirage afarta jiho, and we need to stop blaming the rest of fellow Hartis and Daaroods in PL. In my world, no blame game is allowed. We should look inward fopr our shortcomings. How can diaspora politicians who have never done any thingh for us keep us chasing mirage afarta jiho, get real.

Aan talo kusiiyo, meesha SHIRWEYNE Dhulbahante ahi ma jiro. Ma aragtay liiska nimanka dibada ay ka direen, aqoonse ma u leedahay? Kuligood waa SL supporters. Durbaankan la garaacayo haku qaldamin. Weligaas haddaad aragtid shirar dhamaan waaya oo laga hadlayo, MUNAAFAQAD weyn baa ku jirta. Sidaa ula soco!

Okay, so what's stopping Beesha Dhulbahante to hold a Shirwayne loo dhanyahay? Hypothetically speaking, if we set aside the SSC Hogaanka, would you support a Dhulbahante State, free from Isaaq and Majeerteen influence? If no, then why wouldn't you?

You speak so lavishly about Puntland, but what has Puntland done for you? The income Puntland gets from International Aid goes right back to the Majeerteen areas, ma been baan shegiya? It's obvious that not a penny goes to Warsangeli or Dhulbahante areas, not ONE CENT.

Educate me here a little bit, what subclans within the Dhulbahante are Pro-Somaliland? It can't be the entire clan.

Anigu, I am Reer Hagar, and I can tell you this straight up, the Farah Hagar are the largest within the Hagar Adan, there are certain subclans within the Farah Hagar that are acting very suspicious, in terms of their political allegiance. The Adan Hagar are 100% anti-Somaliland iyo Puntland. As for Cali Geri, they are 100% Anti-Puntland and Somaliland. So, Ahmed Garad of the Hawd are in the direction of Standing Alone as a Dhulbahante STATE. Raggii Maxamuud Garad are the ones driving Dhulbahante with confusion. Reer Hawd got their act together....where are Reer Nugaaleed? You're Ugadyahan, you support Puntland, merely due to Hassan Dahir Afqudac iyo kan Cabdisamaad Ali Shire, whom both are Ugadyahan. While, in Laascaanood the Jamaac Siyaad are licking their lips to eat the entire Nalaaye Ahmed alive. So, Maxamuud Garadkii ba is haya....ee maha Dhulbahante sxb.

Don't get me wrong, Dhulbahante respect Puntland, because we see as a State for Majeerteen and Majeerteen are niman Harti ah oo Daarood ah. We don't wish upon them evil, however...Dhulbahante isn't a Sub-Clan of Majeerteen. Dhulbahante is big enough to stand alone.

[udun]

The red ink is killinge me. Can you write on normal ink? What is the obsession with the ever changing colours.

My positions are clear for over a year and half in SNET: PL mine, PL yours, PL forever!

Again you're still going around the development side. Development takes place and you need to go and see for yourself. Go back home and come back and talk to me when you undestand every thing.

If you're truly Reer Hagar, the recent fight in Kalshaale, you would truly know who helped you out. Soomaalis say you need to fill in 3 caloolood when you're getting into a fight: caloosha qoriga, caloosha gaariga, iyo caloosha ragga. Do your research and ask yourself who provided all three in addition to repairing all technicals? Look no further than PL Admin and Reer PL as a whole. If you're Reer Hagar as you claimed to be, I have to give you this brotherly advice "Niman kuu furi doonin yaanu kuu rarin "

No one is responsible for Dhulbahante's internal divisions other than Dhulbahante temselves. I will end it here!

FYI, Reer Hagar are overwhelmingly PLers. The main two leaders today, Caaqil Maxamuud Omar Amey, and Minister Faruur are all PLers LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

[Knight of Wisdom]

The red ink is killinge me. Can you write on normal ink? What is the obsession with the ever changing colours.

My positions are clear for over a year and half in SNET: PL mine, PL yours, PL forever!

Again you're still going around the development side. Development takes place and you need to go and see for yourself. Go back home and come back and talk to me when you undestand every thing.

If you're truly Reer Hagar, the recent fight in Kalshaale, you would truly know who helped you out. Soomaalis say you need to fill in 3 caloolood when you're getting into a fight: caloosha qoriga, caloosha gaariga, iyo caloosha ragga. Do your research and ask yourself who provided all three in addition to repairing all technicals? Look no further than PL Admin and Reer PL as a whole. If you're Reer Hagar as you claimed to be, I have to give you this brotherly advice "Niman kuu furi doonin yaanu kuu rarin "

No one is responsible for Dhulbahante's internal divisions other than Dhulbahante temselves. I will end it here!

FYI, Reer Hagar are overwhelmingly PLers. The main two leaders today, Caaqil Maxamuud Omar Amey, and Minister Faruur are all PLers LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Dagaalkii Kalshaale was one that opened the eyes of many. Raggii SSC sheganiyay didn't partake in the fight. Wa kii Keyse Abdi Yusuf stayed behind in Widh-Widh, while the few Teknicles that were registered under Cali Sabareey shot few rounds and went back to buuhoodle.

Majority of the fighters of Kalshaale were shacaab, mainly Hagar iyo Cali Geri, with Wacays Adan iyo others as well.

The only people in Puntland that helped out reer Buuhoodle were Reer Galkaacyo. The Dhulbahante in Galkaacyo convinced the Omar Maxamud to help Reer Buuhoodle supply with ammunition and take in the wounded in Galkaacyo Hospital. The Puntland Administration didn't do shit. In fact, Faroole was pissed off at Reer Galkaacyo supporting Reer Buuhoodle. It's a known fact.

My uncle, Maxamuud Xaji Cumar Camaay isn't a Puntland supporter. He is a Harti-Supporter. He was a Puntlander, but now...he's Neutral. He isn't with Hoogaanka SSC nor with Puntland Administration, but he is Pro-Dhulbahante State, who's allied with Puntland State. Ma aniga iga waramiisa the Reer Hagar issues.

Trust me, Reer Hagar are overwhelmingly Anti-Puntland and Anti-Somaliland and only few Adan Hagar support Xaglotoosiye, since he's Adan Hagar, but other than that....Reer Hagar are standing on their ground firmly. They have decided to only look at for their INTEREST, which is keep ALL lands that are Ahmed Garad free from Somaliland iyo Puntland.

Udun, raggii Ahmed Garad have made up their minded. But, adigu...how's the Maxamuud Garad iyo Ugadyahankii doing? Even Ugadyahan themselves are having internal conflicts ninyaho.

Dhulbahante Internal Conflicts are being flamed up by Faroole iyo some Dhabodhlifs.

Forget about Faroole, the Majeerteen Members of Somalinet, go see how they're dissing Caaro Dhulbahante sxb. Ma waxas ba la Mamuul tahay, adigu?

Col Carays, wa kii ku yidhi to Nuux Taani, "Ninyaho, ma buurahan xunxun ba naaf lagu waya, wa maya ee ciidamaada noo kala rarar".

[udun]

I aint work no emotions and have the facts. There are currently 500 PL troops in Buuhoodle who are being trained and assembled. If you're evn disputing about Caaqil Mohamud Xaaji Omar Amey, I gave up man. Separate Dhulbahante state only gets repeated in cyberspace and will not materialize. The so-called Khaatumo is meeting in Jigjiga One wonders why they wouldn't meet in Dhuloos territory?

PL helped in Kalshaale and that is a fact; however, people always twist facts as they see fit with their political motives. However, the truth is the truth. I even remember how Caaqil Mohamoud Haji Omar Amey stated "PL did every thing he requested and I don't have any complaints against the administration."

I will leave it there. So-called Dhulbahante only 'State' is in the minds of diaspora politicians, who had never lived backhome for the last 30-40 years, and have no intention of living in our territory currently or in the future is a non-starter in my view and many others' view points. Horta when are people gonna get realistic?

[Knight of Wisdom]

I aint work no emotions and have the facts. There are currently 500 PL troops in Buuhoodle who are being trained and assembled. If you're evn disputing about Caaqil Mohamud Xaaji Omar Amey, I gave up man. Separate Dhulbahante state only gets repeated in cyberspace and will not materialize. The so-called Khaatumo is meeting in Jigjiga One wonders why they wouldn't meet in Dhuloos territory?

PL helped in Kalshaale and that is a fact; however, people always twist facts as they see fit with their political motives. However, the truth is the truth. I even remember how Caaqil Mohamoud Haji Omar Amey stated "PL did every thing he requested and I don't have any complaints against the administration."

I will leave it there. So-called Dhulbahante only 'State' is in the minds of diaspora politicians, who had never lived backhome for the last 30-40 years, and have no intention of living in our territory currently or in the future is a non-starter in my view and many others' view points. Horta when are people gonna get realistic?

Odayga Maxamuud Xaji Cumar Camay is my real uncle, ninyaho. I know where he stands politically, more than you or any Human Being on Earth.

You're continuously avoiding my question, Undunow. I ask you this again, Would you support a Shir Dhulbahante where all in the Somaliland, Puntland, SSC, TFG and where ever there could be are part of, where every Dhulbahante Politician, Intellectual, Elder, and so forth are partaking in it?

The second question is, Why is it that YOU will NEVER support a Dhulbahate State, which stands side-by-side with Puntland and Somaliland?

[udun]

I aint work no emotions and have the facts. There are currently 500 PL troops in Buuhoodle who are being trained and assembled. If you're evn disputing about Caaqil Mohamud Xaaji Omar Amey, I gave up man. Separate Dhulbahante state only gets repeated in cyberspace and will not materialize. The so-called Khaatumo is meeting in Jigjiga One wonders why they wouldn't meet in Dhuloos territory?

PL helped in Kalshaale and that is a fact; however, people always twist facts as they see fit with their political motives. However, the truth is the truth. I even remember how Caaqil Mohamoud Haji Omar Amey stated "PL did every thing he requested and I don't have any complaints against the administration."

I will leave it there. So-called Dhulbahante only 'State' is in the minds of diaspora politicians, who had never lived backhome for the last 30-40 years, and have no intention of living in our territory currently or in the future is a non-starter in my view and many others' view points. Horta when are people gonna get realistic?

Odayga Maxamuud Xaji Cumar Camay is my real uncle, ninyaho. I know where he stands politically, more than you or any Human Being on Earth.

You're continuously avoiding my question, Undunow. I ask you this again, Would you support a Shir Dhulbahante where all in the Somaliland, Puntland, SSC, TFG and where ever there could be are part of, where every Dhulbahante Politician, Intellectual, Elder, and so forth are partaking in it?

The second question is, Why is it that YOU will NEVER support a Dhulbahate State, which stands side-by-side with Puntland and Somaliland?

I am a realistic and know the so-called 'Dhulbahante' state is a smoke creen for SSC Hogaaka 2, which is SL proxy. If you gonna run behind every trick that has new slogans, you know you would be in a sorrow for a long time.

I don't support the so-called Shirweyne that you're talking about. Why, it is all smokescreen. Go ahead and tell me what those so-called diaspora based ploticians have ever done wirth their millions they seized from former Somalia government, and those who retired from international organizations.

For me PL mine, PL yours, PL forever. I would never trust diaspora-based politicians with dubious interests, and the only time you see them running with the so-called SHIRWEYNE is when they want seats in one of the entities in Somalia.

I will check your claim that you're the 1st nephew of Caaqil Haji Mohamud Omar Amey.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Dude, what has Puntland done for you, since 1998?

The Puntland Administration has NEVER set foot in Yagoori, Gumaays, Ceerigaabo, Jidali, LaasaSuraad, Masagan, Madhisho, and areas that are the borderline with iidoorka. I mean, if you want to talk real...let's hit the nail where it should be.

Since 2007, Puntland was saying "Dhulbahante isn't United" , so therefore, we won't fight for Laascaanood.

Do you really believe that Dhulbahante isn't United against fighting Somaliland?

Mahad Cambaashe has only 400 boys under his command and they are mostly Jamaac Siyaad and Bahrarsame. Does 400 Dhulbahante guys under Somaliland Command constitute it to be the entire clan, therefore Puntland won't engage them in any way, shape or form? That is surely something to laugh at.

Puntland is obviously not interested in liberating Laascaanood or returning Laascaanood into Puntland hands. Puntland isn't interested in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn at the moment, because apparently, it's focusing on Bari, Nugaal and Mudug. So, you want me to be part of PUNTLAND, who has neglected Sool, Sanaag and Cayn, because...apparently, they are "Harti" and despite the fact that they have no interest in Sool at the moment, I should still be with them? Is that your logical reasoning in defending "Puntland"?

Look at Ahmed Karaash. He is leading a militia consisting of mainly Ugaadhyahan. He is willing to fight for Laascaanood, yet the Puntland you speak of so beautifully, isn't supporting him. In fact, Ahmed Karaash went from Tukaraq to Awrboogays. Is Awrboogays under Somaliland control? NO, it isn't...so why would he make himself busy with trees being cut down to make Charcoal and not Liberate Laascaanood with the Puntland he claims to be part of?

Hoogaanka SSC are obviously the same. They are there for MONEY, as I believe and not really for the interest of Beesha Dhulbahante. However, this Shir called Khaatumo 2 is the one the entire BEEL is waiting for to see how things play out. If there is another SHIR after Khaatumo 2, before the liberation of Laascaanood, Yagoori, Gumaays, Ceerigaabo....then like you said, SSC is Anti-Dhulbahante and Pro-Somaliland, and will be consider an entity created to waste time only.

[udun]

It is laughable 400 Dhulbahante boys are in control of LA If it is true, why it is then needs to be liberated? I say if it is true that it is under the control of 400 Dhulbahante boys, keep it as it is. End of the story, no need the so-called the 'liberation'

Why being in circus when you know who is in charge

I am settling down internal divisions should not be charged on PL admin. LA and its inhabitants chose the fate it is in and they need to find a way out. When they get their acts together, they will get the support they need; until such time, any blame game would be laughed on and status quo will remain. I repeat LA and its inhabitants chose its fate and they either need to accept the status as it is or they need to seek redemption. No hypocrisy would be accepted.

Ahmed Karaash is doing a good job of saving the environment. In my view, saving the environment is more important than LA at its current condition, since reer LA have chosen the fate it is in and refused to deal with the Dabaqoodhis collectively, so why blame it on others? Fyi, Ahmed Karaash's militia are financed by PL and they are currently in Fiqifuliye and Ardaa doing an important work.

Let us get real here: PL this, PL that, it will never go anywhere. Either we accept reality or "Qiiqoow xagaasaa ceel macaan" will go on. The so-called SSC 2 (aka Khaatumo 2) will fail and you will see it. The hypocrisy of SSC 1 failed big time, and I give KHaatumo 2 few months. I can never accept the hypocrisy that one wants to talk about the 'liberation' of LA but at sametime wants to get seats in SL How can any one have both ways? Grow up kiddo and see beyond the empty slogans!!!!

[Knight of Wisdom]

In my view, saving the environment is more important than LA at its current condition

Udun, you didn't just say that, did you?

You telling me that to control trees from being cut down is more important than to liberate your Capital? So, what will you do, when Somaliland comes for Ardaa and Fiqfuliye? In order to trim the lawn, and mop the floor, you have to have the keys to the house. At the moment, Ahmed Karaash, a Reer-Laascaanood can't liberate his own town because....Faroole and his Puntland administration told him not to. It's a fact. Nin Ciise Maxamuud ah is telling nin Ugadyahan ah what to do and what not to do, concerning the Ugaadyahan man's interests. SMH

You said that LA's people choose the fate they're in. But, I think you're wrong. Isn't Ahmed Karaash and his militia all Ugaadyahan and from Laascaanood? Isn't General Maxamed Adan, Ali Khalif, Ali Mire of the NSUM from Laascaanood? Did they choose SL to take over Laascaanood? Maybe..maybe not. But, the reality is, you can't say just because few hundred inhabitants of Laascaanood are cheering for Somaliland....I can't liberate Laascaanood because those few hundred inhabitants of the Town are Pro-Somaliland, therefore...Reer Laascaanood chose their fate. That is one heck of a joke, to be frank with you.

Udun, let me tell you something you're not aware of Reer Hawd ama Beesha Ahmed Garad iyo those that settle with them in Hawd. We have decided to NOT fight for Laascaanood. We have decided to not fight for Beesha Maxamuud Garad.

When you say, "Dhulbahante is fighting Internally", that is a BULLSHIT. It's not Dhulbahante waxa iishaya, but rather...it is Beesha Maxamuud Garaad. The Ugaadyahan, the Jamaac Siyaad and the Bahrarsame are the tree clans in Nugaal who are fighting amongs themselves over the one who would control Gobolka Sool. It's a fact.

Isaaq isn't controlling Laascaanood with XOOG IIDOOR, but rather...they are controlling it with due to the animosity between Maxamuud Garadka dhaxdooda. Internal conflicts within the Ugaadyahan (Nur iyo Naalaaye), then within Ugaadyahan iyo Jamaac and then within Bahrarsame iyo Ugaadyahan have resulted in the occupation of Laascaanood.

Nimankii Hawd ee Ahmed Garad have stayed FREE from Ethiopia, Puntland and Somaliland. Wa tii aad ogayd wixi ka dhacay Kalshaale, Hogaagane iyo Meygaagle. I don't think Reer Buuhoodle ama Hawd will send their boys to die for Reer Nugaaleed. Marka, I don't blame Ugaadyahan for siding with Puntland, because...technically, that's their LAST place they could go back to for support.

As for SSC. I have always stood firmly on my believe on Hoogaanka SSC. They are manipulative, greedy, with secret agenda. If SSC were PURE-HEARTED, they would've waged a war on Laascaanood, all out war on different front on Laascaanood.

Lakinse, in terms of a Dhulbahante State within Somalia, that...I have to support BEESHA DHULBAHANTE. I am for a Dhulbahante State within Somalia, but not Hoogaanka SSC. Keyse Abdi Yusuf was amongst the most praised person in Hoogaanka SSC and we all know how we shook his ass for IIDOOR when he went to Hergeisa. He is officially a traitor, 3dii Khususigana ha ilowin ee iidoorka uu gostay.

[udun]

Udun, you didn't just say that, did you?
You telling me that to control trees from being cut down is more important than to liberate your Capital? So, what will you do, when Somaliland comes for Ardaa and Fiqfuliye? In order to trim the lawn, and mop the floor, you have to have the keys to the house. At the moment, Ahmed Karaash, a Reer-Laascaanood can't liberate his own town because....Faroole and his Puntland administration told him not to. It's a fact. Nin Ciise Maxamuud ah is telling nin Ugadyahan ah what to do and what not to do, concerning the Ugaadyahan man's interests. SMH

Faroole is the president of PL and he wants Dhulbahante to come up a reconcialation amongs themselves. He and the rest of the PL Admin are justified in that regard. It is a lie President Faroole and his admin told Reer Laascanood not to liberate their town. To the contrary, Reer Laascaanood chose this fate for their city. They either need to come up a commond ground instead of bickering over petty things or live with its fate. You can't argue like an addict who always blames someone else on his addiction!

Somaliland tried Ardaa, Fiqifuliye, Awrboogays, Sarmaanyo and could not get its feet there. Awrboogays was the last incident in january 2009. Somaliland also tried Tukaraq at least four times sinc 2007 and failed all attempts. I am sure you remember the last fight in June 2011. Yes, saving the environment is very important since all livestock live on it, and the people in return rely on their livestock for their survival. The so-called the 'liberation' of LA is for all its inhabitants. It is not particular to any reer. I am still in the position that many reer LA have chosen its fate, and the difference between you and me is I am stating the truth. The question I have for many Dhulbahante is what has changed since the SL's takeover?

You said that LA's people choose the fate they're in. But, I think you're wrong. Isn't Ahmed Karaash and his militia all Ugaadyahan and from Laascaanood? Isn't General Maxamed Adan, Ali Khalif, Ali Mire of the NSUM from Laascaanood? Did they choose SL to take over Laascaanood? Maybe..maybe not. But, the reality is, you can't say just because few hundred inhabitants of Laascaanood are cheering for Somaliland....I can't liberate Laascaanood because those few hundred inhabitants of the Town are Pro-Somaliland, therefore...Reer Laascaanood chose their fate. That is one heck of a joke, to be frank with you.

Do you know how many who were celebrating for SL's take over and calling it their day of freedom? Wallee, hypocrisy has no boundaries.

Udun, let me tell you something you're not aware of Reer Hawd ama Beesha Ahmed Garad iyo those that settle with them in Hawd. We have decided to NOT fight for Laascaanood. We have decided to not fight for Beesha Maxamuud Garad.

Hundreds of Ahmed Garaad men were fighting for SL when its troops took over LA. Who was Dalbac and his 600 soldiers fighting on the side of SL? You seem to have a short of memory. It is no secret who were fighting on the side SL and who was not. You may want to say Aadan Axmed but don't say Axmed Garaad since Dalbac and his fighters were Axmed Garaad.

When you say, "Dhulbahante is fighting Internally", that is a BULLSHIT. It's not Dhulbahante waxa iishaya, but rather...it is Beesha Maxamuud Garaad. The Ugaadyahan, the Jamaac Siyaad and the Bahrarsame are the tree clans in Nugaal who are fighting amongs themselves over the one who would control Gobolka Sool. It's a fact.

I said internal divisions and that is the truth.

Isaaq isn't controlling Laascaanood with XOOG IIDOOR, but rather...they are controlling it with due to the animosity between Maxamuud Garadka dhaxdooda. Internal conflicts within the Ugaadyahan (Nur iyo Naalaaye), then within Ugaadyahan iyo Jamaac and then within Bahrarsame iyo Ugaadyahan have resulted in the occupation of Laascaanood.

It is all nonsense you're stating. It is in th hands of SL and who runs SL and who is in charge is well-known. I think many of us chose to dance around the facts. I won't go beyond that but would sum it up SL is there thru military force and can be only kicked-out thru military force.

Nimankii Hawd ee Ahmed Garad have stayed FREE from Ethiopia, Puntland and Somaliland. Wa tii aad ogayd wixi ka dhacay Kalshaale, Hogaagane iyo Meygaagle. I don't think Reer Buuhoodle ama Hawd will send their boys to die for Reer Nugaaleed. Marka, I don't blame Ugaadyahan for siding with Puntland, because...technically, that's their LAST place they could go back to for support.

That is all bullshit. You have your ministers in PL and I have mine. All Dhulbahante clans has a presence in the PL cabinet. You get support and I get support. How was it possible that PL was providing all of the well-known support in recent fight in Kalashaale and you're stating you're not part of it? Wasn't Salleeban Xaglatoosiye trying to become a president and vice president in PL in 2008 and 2009? Isn't Faruur a reer Hagar and a minister in PL? Come'n addeer, don't buy the empty slogans that some diaspora politicians and their supports spread around. The so-called supporters of the Dhulbahante stand-alone 'state' are the biggest obstacle to Dhulbahante reconcialation, and their intentions are to get seats in SL. They are nothing but SL proxy!

As for SSC. I have always stood firmly on my believe on Hoogaanka SSC. They are manipulative, greedy, with secret agenda. If SSC were PURE-HEARTED, they would've waged a war on Laascaanood, all out war on different front on Laascaanood.

You used to support and when they failed, you withdrew your support We used to fight over it in SNET last year, and here you are telling me now you always opposed them

Lakinse, in terms of a Dhulbahante State within Somalia, that...I have to support BEESHA DHULBAHANTE. I am for a Dhulbahante State within Somalia, but not Hoogaanka SSC. Keyse Abdi Yusuf was amongst the most praised person in Hoogaanka SSC and we all know how we shook his ass for IIDOOR when he went to Hergeisa. He is officially a traitor, 3dii Khususigana ha ilowin ee iidoorka uu gostay. [/color]

PL is the Dhulbahante State. For SSC leaders who went to SL is just tip of the iceberg. Do you know who Khaatumo is and what it wants? Do you know who is guiding behind the scene. You, Reer Hawd kid, should learn one thing from this Ugaadhyahan man, look beyond the empty slogans. That is wisdom from Nugaal-Godan

On a serious note, are you a lady? If you're, I won't go pages with you If you're a man, get over the ever changing colours. It does not look good on you!

This is my last reply to the topic!

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UDUN dont waste your time with sl puppet all his life Would say the same words million times "what did pl did to us" and he forget that he have to work for his gov not to attack from the behind 2007

as john f keneedy said "you have to work for your government"



good words bro UDUN sool boqor