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All this aid to the famine, the money should be

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Used on A properly designed aquaponics system which could easily help alleviate if not SOLVE the famine problem in the horn of Africa as well as create jobs for the people. The money that has been donated so far would be put to a better use in the form of an investment in this simple technology, rather than in more aid that will have to be repeated in the near future.
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the whole problem is water they should invest in technologies that produce more water so the femine wont come back again
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"Untold sources of need which might arise in the future could well use this method of feeding hoards of people in areas where land has been rendered useless and is no longer viable for growing crops."

That quote was from : http://www.helium.com/item​s/2069767-aq ... ​he-future
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Fah, that requires actually thinking ahead. We all know somalis never think ahead. :down:
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that system isn't gonna feed the guy who's gonna die if he doesn't get food.

What is needed immediately is food, the investment should come after that
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Do you guys really think that the world wants to see a stable & prosperous Somalia? You lot are more gullible than i thought, we should forget about outside help unless it comes from countries like Turkiye and just rebuilt the country ourselves like Eritrea is doing.
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There is more than sufficient water in Somalia to meet everyone's need-both animals and humans. Even large scale irrigation is feasible since there are 2 permanent rivers in the South on top of the fact that farming regions in the South receive more than 500 milliliters of rain per year (some regions get as much as 800/900 milliliter). To put this into perspective, that is about the same amount of rainfall that South Africa most agriculturally productive regions get.

Somalia's problem is lack of infrastructure. There is not a single water treatment plant in Somalia. Every year, millions upon millions of cubic meter of clean, fresh water empty into the Indian Ocean and Red Sea because Somalia doesn't have any dams or other infrastructure to better exploit this natural resource. Further compounding the problem is the geology of Somalia which doesn't lend itself to the formation of large underground acquifers. This is why a lot of the wells that Somalis rely on are relatively shallow. But who knows, Somalia may have fossil water millions of years old which can only be accessed after deep drilling.

But if all this fails, there is the Sea and brackish water. Modern advances in desalination have reduced the costs associated with the process substantiatly, even to the point where desalinated water costs about the same as regular water. For example, in Singapore, they desalinate water for $.50c/m^3 and the new desalination plant in Ashkelon, Israel, water is desalinated at $.55c/m^3. At these rates, desalinated water is viable option for irrigation--in many parts of the world, farmers already pay rates above these for irrigation water. In fact, Israel already supplies farmers with desalinated since its desalination plants produce more water than is really needed. And as more technological advances are made in water desalination, the cost will further drop.

From any angle you look at, Somalis shouldn't be dying of thirst. There is not reason for anyone int he 21st century to die from hunger or thirst. What is happening in Somalia is tragedgy but it was preventable.
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The stupid people who lead Somalia do not have the future time orientation to be able to implement such a system.


I predict a quarter of the aid will go the hungry, another quarter into the hands of corrupt politicians, another quarter the organizational costs of the aid agencies, and the last little bit will be taken away by greedy middlemen and self serving businessmen. This whole proccess will repeat in five or six years. Welcome to Africa. :up:
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NoAngst wrote:There is more than sufficient water in Somalia to meet everyone's need-both animals and humans. Even large scale irrigation is feasible since there are 2 permanent rivers in the South on top of the fact that farming regions in the South receive more than 500 milliliters of rain per year (some regions get as much as 800/900 milliliter). To put this into perspective, that is about the same amount of rainfall that South Africa most agriculturally productive regions get.

Somalia's problem is lack of infrastructure. There is not a single water treatment plant in Somalia. Every year, millions upon millions of cubic meter of clean, fresh water empty into the Indian Ocean and Red Sea because Somalia doesn't have any dams or other infrastructure to better exploit this natural resource. Further compounding the problem is the geology of Somalia which doesn't lend itself to the formation of large underground acquifers. This is why a lot of the wells that Somalis rely on are relatively shallow. But who knows, Somalia may have fossil water millions of years old which can only be accessed after deep drilling.

But if all this fails, there is the Sea and brackish water. Modern advances in desalination have reduced the costs associated with the process substantiatly, even to the point where desalinated water costs about the same as regular water. For example, in Singapore, they desalinate water for $.50c/m^3 and the new desalination plant in Ashkelon, Israel, water is desalinated at $.55c/m^3. At these rates, desalinated water is viable option for irrigation--in many parts of the world, farmers already pay rates above these for irrigation water. In fact, Israel already supplies farmers with desalinated since its desalination plants produce more water than is really needed. And as more technological advances are made in water desalination, the cost will further drop.

From any angle you look at, Somalis shouldn't be dying of thirst. There is not reason for anyone int he 21st century to die from hunger or thirst. What is happening in Somalia is tragedgy but it was preventable.
You wouldn't think a country with the largest coastline in africa and two major rivers would be starving as well, would you? :down:
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Colonel wrote:Do you guys really think that the world wants to see a stable & prosperous Somalia? You lot are more gullible than i thought, we should forget about outside help unless it comes from countries like Turkiye and just rebuilt the country ourselves like Eritrea is doing.
THIS ISNT OUTSIDE HELP, ITS COMMON SENSE
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NoAngst wrote:There is more than sufficient water in Somalia to meet everyone's need-both animals and humans. Even large scale irrigation is feasible since there are 2 permanent rivers in the South on top of the fact that farming regions in the South receive more than 500 milliliters of rain per year (some regions get as much as 800/900 milliliter). To put this into perspective, that is about the same amount of rainfall that South Africa most agriculturally productive regions get.

Somalia's problem is lack of infrastructure. There is not a single water treatment plant in Somalia. Every year, millions upon millions of cubic meter of clean, fresh water empty into the Indian Ocean and Red Sea because Somalia doesn't have any dams or other infrastructure to better exploit this natural resource. Further compounding the problem is the geology of Somalia which doesn't lend itself to the formation of large underground acquifers. This is why a lot of the wells that Somalis rely on are relatively shallow. But who knows, Somalia may have fossil water millions of years old which can only be accessed after deep drilling.

But if all this fails, there is the Sea and brackish water. Modern advances in desalination have reduced the costs associated with the process substantiatly, even to the point where desalinated water costs about the same as regular water. For example, in Singapore, they desalinate water for $.50c/m^3 and the new desalination plant in Ashkelon, Israel, water is desalinated at $.55c/m^3. At these rates, desalinated water is viable option for irrigation--in many parts of the world, farmers already pay rates above these for irrigation water. In fact, Israel already supplies farmers with desalinated since its desalination plants produce more water than is really needed. And as more technological advances are made in water desalination, the cost will further drop.

From any angle you look at, Somalis shouldn't be dying of thirst. There is not reason for anyone int he 21st century to die from hunger or thirst. What is happening in Somalia is tragedgy but it was preventable.
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Aid is a tool if you haven't noticed fah, if we became self sufficient they would have to resort to a more open form of control..wallahi even white people have said this, that our chaos is their fortune they don't give a rats ass about us lol why would they want you to prosper as a muslim?
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union wrote:The stupid people who lead Somalia do not have the future time orientation to be able to implement such a system.


I predict a quarter of the aid will go the hungry, another quarter into the hands of corrupt politicians, another quarter the organizational costs of the aid agencies, and the last little bit will be taken away by greedy middlemen and self serving businessmen. This whole proccess will repeat in five or six years. Welcome to Africa. :up:

Thats EXACTLY what was on my mind. If 1 billion is pledged Somalia is lucky to get 250 mil. All the money wasn't gonna go to Somalia anyway so we have no place to try to worry about how to allocate it :lol:
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FAH1223 wrote:
Colonel wrote:Do you guys really think that the world wants to see a stable & prosperous Somalia? You lot are more gullible than i thought, we should forget about outside help unless it comes from countries like Turkiye and just rebuilt the country ourselves like Eritrea is doing.
THIS ISNT OUTSIDE HELP, ITS COMMON SENSE
It is outside help if you're saying "the aid money should be used as blabla".
Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:Aid is a tool if you haven't noticed fah, if we became self sufficient they would have to resort to a more open form of control..wallahi even white people have said this, that our chaos is their fortune they don't give a rats ass about us lol why would they want you to prosper as a muslim?
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