Let us debate like Men,UNITY DEBATE.

[ZubeirAwal]

First of all any of you who carry grudges with you into this room can leave.
I'll be asking questions to kick-off this debate.
To the Unionists
Say,if the government in the south get's all it's cities and borders,seas together,how will they approach Somaliland in the concept of Unity?

[union]

If the South gets itself in order, my personal belief is that we should simply ignore the North in domestic affairs and do everything in our power to frustrate their attempts at gaining international recognition. Eventually the north will stop pouting like a little bitch and learn how to be a man.

[hargaysaay]

its not just how they approach us but also how we approach them

[hargaysaay]

If the South gets itself in order, my personal belief is that we should simply ignore the North in domestic affairs and do everything in our power to frustrate their attempts at gaining international recognition. Eventually the north will stop pouting like a little bitch and learn how to be a man.

cant you guys invade the north as you claim or are you too weak to do that

[union]

If the South gets itself in order, my personal belief is that we should simply ignore the North in domestic affairs and do everything in our power to frustrate their attempts at gaining international recognition. Eventually the north will stop pouting like a little bitch and learn how to be a man.

cant you guys invade the north as you claim or are you too weak to do that

When you think about the cost of an invasion, with the benefit of gaining three narcotic towns, it's not worth it...But frustrating the iddor? That's priceless.

[ZubeirAwal]

If the South gets itself in order, my personal belief is that we should simply ignore the North in domestic affairs and do everything in our power to frustrate their attempts at gaining international recognition. Eventually the north will stop pouting like a little bitch and learn how to be a man.

cant you guys invade the north as you claim or are you too weak to do that

When you think about the cost of an invasion, with the benefit of gaining three narcotic towns, it's not worth it...But frustrating the iddor? That's priceless.

Well tbh,Somaliland without Somalia already strived for 20 years without recognition with already Berbera soon to be east africa's largest port, and a railroad network to be built linking the cities, i'm Sure Somaliland does not need anything from the south, rather it is you who need us.

[FAH1223]

If Mogadishu is peaceful and starts the rebuild, it should just ignore Somaliland and focus on building up the South's capacity to feed the whole country, institution building, and infrastructure development. Impeding activity up there doesn't scream progress either. A door for welcoming them in negotiations should be there

If Somaliland wants recognition so badly, they will have to go to Mogadishu. That's the only way it will get recognition not from the outside.. we have 20 years of evidence for this.

Most SLand folks on this forum here atleast are content with isolation for an indefinite period...

[ZubeirAwal]

Slers in this forum are being isolated by whom?

[FAH1223]

Slers in this forum are being isolated by whom?

Isolation as in:

We will never engage with the South. We will never talk with the south. We will never have anything to do with Mogadishu on any basis. The south has nothing to offer us.

I think most SLers on this forum, at least, are happy with that proposition.

So if SL stays the way it is, while say the south finally has itself together and starts functioning and progressing... I think the sentiment will stay the same. I'd be surprised if there was a change of heart just because Mogadishu became a real city again.

[Teeri]

First of all any of you who carry grudges with you into this room can leave.
I'll be asking questions to kick-off this debate.
To the Unionists
Say,if the government in the south get's all it's cities and borders,seas together,how will they approach Somali-land in the concept of Unity?

perhaps we shouldnt approach somaliland as if we want ''unity'' with them. people vote with their feet, perhaps ''unity'' can be had with somaliland by them being independent, because the truth is they want to be separate, unity can be achieved through economics, cultural etc.

what is the other option? war, disunity, generations of grudges? why? because we want forced unity on a people who want self rule? we need to accept the fact that somaliland, want self rule! i am for any somali group who unite and wish to have self rule.

maybe that is the solution we are lacking to implant. we should not be scared of ''dividing'' our nation. somalis never lived with themselves, they were not a nation before, we are a false nation put together by force and the truth is tribal lines are more important to us then language or cultural. hence the idoor and harti lands. perhaps living in smaller nations would not be so bad. europe seems to have done it. the gulf arabs seemed to have done it.

[anonymousfaarax]

Somalia could never force, by say war, Somaliland to union as it simply would not have that option. What is the likelihood they would, after achieving peace and stability after 20+ years, go to war again?

It is not that SOmalia would freely decline the option of attacking Somaliland but it would just be be unjustifiable in so many ways as to render it impossible.

[Coeus]

Damn the guy gave you all a clean plattform to start a debate, and you are all discussing isolation and ignoring.

My take is that we will have a federalist approach when it comes to Waqooyi galbed. They will have their fair share of the revenue when the economy starts to accumulate wealth and the children in the north will attend various unviersities in Mogadishu instead of leaveing the country. Also the Hargeisa adminstration will have to uphold the Goverments demands wich will be:

-No dipomatic relations with any foreign Nation
-putting an end to this Indipendence search, by oficially declaring to be a federal region inside Somalia.
-Halt any agreement you might have entered with foreign nations that would A) Involve the natural resources of the Country B) Involve foreign Nations use the soil of the Nation for economic gain wich the goverment deems hurting the National interest & law.
- Re instate the Blue Somali flag in Hargeisa

When these demands are met, then we will meet the adminstration in Hargeisa's demands.

[DropkickMurphy]

Slers in this forum are being isolated by whom?

[FAH1223]

You can't have negotiations with two parties on opposite ends of the spectrum.

Somaliland will never accept a federal role aka Kurdistan.

The best policy is no policy. You let SL come to the table... if not, oh well.


The south's priorities are much more dire than what SL does. SL can keep fishing for recognition but everyone else should have a policy of indifference to the matter.

Military conflict is stupid and shouldn't even be thought about, the south has more internal clashes with each other

[HaragWafi85]

Somalia is obsessed with non-existence unity and invading other countries (Kenya, Ethiopia) to claim somali inhabited areas which we know it will properly set them back 20 years once again economically and militarily. The best option is even if they get peace keep their so called Goverment confined to the south and Puntland(if they are ok being part of Somalia). Aslong as they are trying to deny the existence and demands of the people of Somaliland.