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South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:22 pm
by Coeus
Turkey is no African solution

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The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Turkey, Dr Ahmet Davutoglu, seen here on an official visit to South Africa on August 20, 2011, at the invitation of his counterpart, Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane. Turkey has pledged more than $200m to Somalia, our country has pledged a meagre $1m.

It’s one thing to accuse “The West”, that great villain in African political crime stories, of having ulterior motives with regard to Libya.

It’s much harder to level the same charges against a country like Turkey which does not carry any of the West’s colonial or super-power baggage.

On Saturday, Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu held a meeting with International Relations and Co-operation Minister, Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, in Pretoria and later with President Jacob Zuma.

At a joint press conference after their meeting, the two foreign ministers, though both friendly, made it clear that there were sharp differences between the positions of the two countries on Libya and Syria.

On Libya, of course, the differences were no surprise since Turkey is a member of Nato and the current chair of the International Contact Group of countries – Nato plus others – who are bombing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s forces.

South Africa voted for UN Security Council Resolution 1973 which authorised a no-fly zone and military action to enforce the no fly zone and to protect civilians.

But Zuma has since then rebuked the Nato-led coalition which is conducting the military operations, for “misinterpreting” Resolution 1973 by seeking “regime change” through killing or ousting Gaddafi instead of just protecting civilians.

As a result, South Africa has refused to vote for any UN Security Council resolution to condemn Syria’s equally-brutal crackdown on mostly-unarmed pro-democracy demonstrators.

The aim was “to send a clear message that we will not be taken for a ride again” as Deputy International Relations Minister Ebrahim Ebrahim bluntly put it.

He later met Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in an Ibsa (India, Brazil, South Africa) delegation which issued a statement urging all sides to stop the violence, as though it was being perpetrated equally by all.

Davutoglu insisted on Saturday that the military operations in Libya were intended only to protect civilians, “not regime change, as it has been said by my dear colleague” .

On Turkey’s neighbour Syria, Davutoglu appeared to have shifted South Africa to a much stronger position.

Nkoana-Mashabane echoed him in saying ; “Yes we condemn violence from all sides. But government must take full responsibility for the security of all its citizens; military operations must stop now.”

Former diplomats and other officials from former president Thabo Mbeki’s administration have been whipping up even greater indignation about the Nato-led military operations in Libya, through a petition and otherwise.

The gist of their complaint is that it is outrageous that foreignors are bombing an African country and that this flies in the face of the doctrine of “African solutions for African problems”.

But surely the ultimate mantra in all such cases should be “any solutions for African people”?

Do Africans suffering under dictators like Gaddafi really care who relieves their suffering as long as it happens? Do the Mbeki people – and the Zuma people – care about the well-being of Africans or about the prestige of African politicians and diplomats?.

In this regard, it was perhaps significant that Davutoglu had flown to Pretoria from Mogadishu where he had accompanied Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on a bold venture, the first visit to Somalia by a non-African leader during the 20 years the country has been in a state of anarchy.

Davutoglu said Turkey wanted to send the message Somalia is not a no-go area. Turkey had also pledged $200 million (over R1.4 billion) which would rise to $250m – to feed starving Somalis he said. Turkey would – also boldly one must say – open an embassy in Mogadishu to help distribute the aid. It would rebuild the road between the city and the airport, restore a hospital, build schools and drill water wells. That’s putting your money – and your safety – where your mouth is.

South Africa, by contrast, has given just over $1mA to feed starving Somalis, channelled through private agencies like the Gift of the Givers which has actually been there.

An African solution?

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:29 pm
by Coeus
Somalia & Nigeria were the first 2 countries to Condemn Apartheid & support the ANC in AU under the 70´s. We should have listened to the whites. :down:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:30 pm
by shiniile9
Charity begins at home. J.Souma should save his 1million to his HIV suffering Zulu.

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:48 pm
by IRONm@N
We don't want their money, if they could just stop killing somali immigrants and looting their business, that will be good enough.

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:51 pm
by Executive
IRONm@N wrote:We don't want their money, if they could just stop killing somali immigrants and looting their business, that will be good enough.

:up:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:56 pm
by FAH1223
South Africa hasn't helped Somalia return to statehood and would rather see it stay that way

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:02 pm
by Babygirl-
SA :down:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:27 pm
by AhmedBoqor
IRONm@N wrote:We don't want their money, if they could just stop killing somali immigrants and looting their business, that will be good enough.
Truth said :up:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:28 pm
by Beenaale_No1
shiniile9 wrote:Charity begins at home. J.Souma should save his 1million to his HIV suffering Zulu.
:lol:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:30 pm
by Beenaale_No1
Coeus wrote:Somalia & Nigeria were the first 2 countries to Condemn Apartheid & support the ANC in AU under the 70´s. We should have listened to the whites. :down:
Somalia and Nigeria were indeed the first 2 nations to condemn the apartheid. And Nigeria actually played a vital role in ending the apartheid rule, and you read time and time again how Nigerians, Zimbabweans, Ethiopians, Somalis etc. are abused in South Africa and how their business are set on fire. :down:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:59 pm
by Mondey
never ever trust negro africans or even think they will love to see u happy.

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:48 pm
by Voltage
The gist of their complaint is that it is outrageous that foreignors are bombing an African country and that this flies in the face of the doctrine of “African solutions for African problems”.

But surely the ultimate mantra in all such cases should be “any solutions for African people”?

Do Africans suffering under dictators like Gaddafi really care who relieves their suffering as long as it happens? Do the Mbeki people – and the Zuma people – care about the well-being of Africans or about the prestige of African politicians and diplomats?
:up:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:18 pm
by OliveOil
South Africa :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:19 pm
by ciyaal_warta
they can shove their 1 mill up in their arses and stop killing the soomaali pple in their country

Re: South Africa: Turkey is no African Solution to Somalia!

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:00 pm
by DropkickMurphy
FAH1223 wrote:South Africa hasn't helped Somalia return to statehood and would rather see it stay that way
Why do you say that?