Ethiopia Makes Case For Somaliland "semi-recognition"

[The_Emperior5]

¶1. (C) On the margins of a discussion with Acting AF
Assistant Secretary Phil Carter On January 30, Ethiopia Prime
Minister Meles made the case for "semi-recognition" of
Somaliland as a critical step necessary to enhance the
international community's ability to support Somaliland on
regional security/stability and in its own domestic efforts
toward democratization. Meles argued that the international
community's status quo relationship with Somaliland is
untenable and that Somaliland needs a way around the issue of
legal recognition to allow the international community to
"recognize some authority within Somaliland with which it can
engage."

¶2. (C) Meles accepted Acting A/S Carter's argument that
Somaliland's internal political dynamics over the past two
years have not helped their case, and agreed that the region
must get back on track and hold credible elections as planned
this spring. Still Meles argued that Somaliland's democratic
process cannot be sustained without some kind of interim
recognition which can allow for the provision of
international assistance to bolster Somaliland's own
democratic process.

¶3. (C) Meles noted that he has already broached the notion of
an interim- or semi-recognition, along the lines of what the
Palestinian Authority enjoys, with Somaliland President Kahin
Riyale, and that Riyale has become increasingly receptive to
the strategy. Meles argued to Carter that the next steps
must be for others in the international community to help
convince the Somalilanders of such an approach. Then,
Somaliland needs a "good sponsor" within the African
community to advance the cause. Meles suggested that
Djibouti would be the best choice, and acknowledged that
Ethiopia would be the worst (as the move risked only fueling
detractors' arguments that Ethiopia is bent on breaking up
Somalia). Once the strategy had support among African
states, Meles argued that the onus would be on the U.S. and
UK to make the Somaliland semi-recognition case to the
Europeans and others in the international community.

By Wikileaks Feb 2,2009 (09ADDISABABA260)

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Fuck Ethiopia. The relationship between Somaliland and the xabashi rat bastards should stay economic and nothing more.

[Shift]

Ethiopia is only intrested in somaliland in order to keep other somalis busy,specially reer ogadeina.If i keep my eye on emperior zenawi gets room to breath.Unfortunatley some men can't see beyond their front porch.

[The_Emperior5]

Abdi Ismail for now Somaliland should use Ethiopia to access the international community and use them to further gain our interest since adis ababa is the African union headquarters When we secure full diplomatic Recognition and move from this semi recognition and defacto recognition. Since Somalia is the arch enemy of our nation and with Djibouti we have unofficial diplomatic relations.

[Oxidant]

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2004/12/04DJIBOUTI1543.html

Somaliland
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¶7. (C) Asked about the future of Somaliland and Djibouti's
view of Somaliland, Guelleh said the international community
must push Somaliland to create a climate suitable for talks
with its brethren in the south. Ambassador noted the
firmness of FM Edna Ismail on Somaliland remaining an
independent entity. Guelleh said Somaliland must be
persuaded to rejoin the Somalia body, perhaps in the form of
a federation, but to rejoin all the same. (Comment: The idea
of a federation has long been put forward by Djibouti but it
is unclear what form it would take. End comment) He said
Somaliland has, to its credit, been stable, yet that
stability has been the result of it being comprised of a
single tribe. "We cannot encourage the idea of secession," he
said. If we give Somaliland the green light to go its
separate way, many countries will follow suit. Guelleh
confirmed that this was also the position of the African
Union.

Is Djibouti your real friend?

[The_Emperior5]

We know Djiboutis Position and foreign Policy on Somaliland that is nothing new

[Cirwaaq]

When the Afar have an uprising perhabs we can guess where SL support will be.

[ciyaal_warta]

ethiopia's relation with somaliland is just master-slave relation just like the rest of so called somali leaders

[The_Emperior5]

When the Afar have an uprising perhabs we can guess where SL support will be.

President geelles changed his tone since president Siilaanyo took office since 30% of the Djibouti Nationals are actually Also from Somaliland and can vote in Djibouti he relied allot on Somaliland in his last election.He Knows he will always deal with Somaliland.

[The_Emperior5]

Actually Ciyaal warta Somaliland is the only one that arrest Ethiopian soldiers and officials when they trasspass our territory the Ethiopian influence was huge in Somaliland during rayaales administration things are back to normal, the only thing Ethiopia takes advantage from is the lack of recognition in Somaliland

[Cirwaaq]

When the Afar have an uprising perhabs we can guess where SL support will be.

President geelles changed his tone since president Siilaanyo took office since 30% of the Djibouti Nationals are actually Also from Somaliland and can vote in Djibouti he relied allot on Somaliland in his last election.He Knows he will always deal with Somaliland.

That made no sense to me at all, Glueh's opponent was willing to concede to a far far better proposition yet all effort was placed behind Glueh.

As he won't need to run any further terms isn't the advantage lost?

[The_Emperior5]

Not really that's just sweet talk when geele wanted to be president in 1999 he made all kind of promises there are great trade links between djibouti and Somaliland right now and the fiber project is in full gear. There was no point of supporting Geeles opposition.

[ciyaal_warta]

Actually Ciyaal warta Somaliland is the only one that arrest Ethiopian soldiers and officials when they trasspass our territory the Ethiopian influence was huge in Somaliland during rayaales administration things are back to normal, the only thing Ethiopia takes advantage from is the lack of recognition in Somaliland

yeah i heard one time siilaanyo sent them a very young ambassador to adis ababa just to annoy the ethiopians

[The_Emperior5]

Ciidanka Booliska oo Xabsiga u Taxaabay Koox Basaasiin Itoobiyaan ah oo ka soo Tallaabay Xadka Somaliland



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Kooxda basaasinta ah oo tiradoodu gaadhayso shan qof waxa lagu qabqabtay caasimadda Hargeysa iyo magaalada Wajaale

Nimankaas la xidhxidhay sidaa aad idinkuba u maqasheen ayaan aniguna u maqlay warkaas, laakiin idin odhan maayo sidaas iyo sidaas ayey wax u dhaceen”


Taliyaha Qaybta Booliska Gobolka Gabiley


Hargeysa (Jam)- Ciidanka Booliska Somaliland, ayaa la sheegay inay xabsiga u taxaabeen shalay niman Soomaali ah oo la tuhunsan yahay inay u shaqeeyaan sirdoonka dawladda Itoobiya, kuwaasoo oggolaansho la’aan ku soo galay xuduudka degmada Wajaale ee Somaliland si ay u kaxaystaan sarriflayaal reer Somaliland oo ay raadinayeen.


Kooxdan basaasiinta ah oo tiradoodu gaadhayso shan qof oo wada Soomaali ah, ayaa la sheegay in shalay lagu qabqabtay magaalooyinka Hargeysa iyo Wajaale, kadib markii uu booliska ku soo wargeliyey nin shacab ah oo basaasiintaasi doonayeen inuu u fududeeyo sidii ay gacanta ugu dhigi lahaayeen sarriflayaal reer Wajaale ah oo ay doonayeen intay gudaha Itoobiya u afduubaan si halkaas loogu xidhxidho. Iyada oo shanta nin afar ka mid ah lagu qabtay Wajaale, halka ka kalena lagu qabtay caasimadda Hargeysa.


Taliyaha qaybta booliska Gobolka Gabiley Mr. Axmed Maxamed Guutaale oo Jamhuuriya khadka telefoonka kula xidhiidhay xalay si arrintan wax looga weydiiyo, ayaa ka gaabsaday inuu caddeeyo, wax faahfaahin ahna ka bixiyo nimanka u shaqaynayey sirdoonka Itoobiya oo lagu xidhxidhay magaalada Wajaale, isagoo si kooban u yidhi; “Nimankaas la xidhxidhay sidaaad idinkuba u maqasheen ayaan aniguna u maqlay, laakiin idin odhan maayo sidaas iyo sidaas ayey wax u dhaceen, dawladduna way fara badan tahay ee meelo kale wax weydiiya.”


Guddoomiyaha Gobolka Gabiley Md. Cali Aw Nuur Meecaad aannu khadka teelfoonka kula xidhiidhnay si wax looga weydiiyo xadhigga basaasiinta la qabtay, ayaa isaguna ka gaabsaday inuu ka hadlo arrintaas, waxaannu si kooban ugu jawaabay; “Adeer, shir baan ku jiraaye iga raalli ahaada.”


Hasayeeshee, sida ilo-wareedyo lagu kalsoon yahay Jamhuuriya u xaqiijiyeen, basaasiintan Itoobiyaanka ah oo la sheegay inay dhibaatooyin badan ku hayeen deegaannada Killilka Shanaad ee dhinaca Somaliland soo xiga, gaar ahaan Harta-sheekha, ayaa la sheegay in gacanta lagu dhigay, kadib markii mid ka mid ah raggaasi Itoobiya u adeegayey uu nin reer Wajaale ah intuu lacag siiyey ka codsaday inuu nin ay dabagal ku hayeen oo sarrifle ah oo aqoon isu leeyihiin ugu soo kexeeyo si ay gacanta ugu dhigaan, laakiin ninkii lacagta la siiyey inta uu u tagay saaxiibkiisii lagu daba-jiray ku wargeliyey in xadhig lala maagan yahay, sidaa darteedna fiican tahay inay booliska la xidhiidhaan si ninka basaaska ah laftiisa loo xidho.


Sida ilo-wareedyadu sheegeena labadii nin ee asxaabta ahaa ayaa booliska ku wargeliyey in niman basaasiin Itoobiyaan ah doonayaan inay kaxaystaan sarriflayaal reer Somaliland ah, sidaas ayaana lagu qabtay basaaskii Itoobiyaanka ah, kaas oo markii gacanta lagu dhigay la soo baxay waraaqddiisii basaasnimada, wuxuuna booliska u tilmaamay saddex nin oo kale oo hawshan ku wehelinayey, kuwaas oo iyagana isla markiiba lagu qabtay hudheel ku yaal magaalada Wajaale oo xagga Somaliland ka soo xigga xadka Itoobiya oo ay si sharci-darro ah ugu soo tallaabeen, halka ninka shanaad oo isagu lacaha ay ku hawlgalayeen u dirayna lagu qabtay caasimadda Hargeysa.


Guddoomiyaha Degmada Wajaale Mr. Xaashi Maxamuud Cabdi iyo taliyaha booliska magaaladaas, ayaa iyaguna ka aamusay inay ka hadlaan xadhigga basaasiinta Itoobiyaanka ah ee lagu qabqabtay Togwajaale ee gudaha Somaliland.


Toddobaadkii hore ayey ahayd markii dawladaha Itoobiya iyo Somaliland ka wadahadleen ciidammo Itoobiyaan ah oo xilligaasi la sheegay inay ka soo tallaabeen xuduudda labada dal u dhexaysa ee deegaanka Allaybaday, arrintaasi oo tuhunno badan ku beertay dadka reer Somaliland ee deegaannadaas ku nool.


Dhinaca kale, warsaxaafadeed Wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibadda Somaliland soo saartay ayey ku sheegtay in aanay jirin ciidan millatari Itoobiyaan ah oo soo galay gudaha Somaliland, balse waxay caddaysay in dawladda Itoobiya u sheegtay in dhawr xubnood oo ka mid ah booliska maamul-goboleedka Soomaalida ee Itoobiya oo ku daba joogay dad dembiilayaal ah u soo tallaabeen dhinaca Somaliland, waxayna wasaaraddu sheegtay inay arrintaas labada dal ka wadahadleen, waxana warsaxaafadeedkaas lagu sheegay in Somaliland iyo Itoobiya uu ka dhexeeyo xidhiidh qoto-dheer oo ku salaysan jaar-wanaag, iskaashi iyo wax-wada-qabsi dhinacyo badan leh, labada dalna leeyihiin heshiis nabadgalyo, ganacsi iyo socdaal.


Wasiirka arrimaha gudaha iyo taliyaha booliska Somaliland Dr. Maxamed Cabdi Gabboose iyo Cilmi Rooble Furreh (Kabaal) oo Jamhuuriya xidhiidho kala duwan la sameeyey si wax looga weydiiyo xadhigga ragga u shaqaynayey dawladda Itoobiya ayaanay noo suurtogelin in aannu khadka telefoonka ku helno, lamana hubo in ilaa hadda shanta nin ee basaasiinta u ah Itoobiya weli u xidhan yihiin Somalland iyo in meelo kale loo beddelay ama xorriyadoodii loo celiyey.

[Username1]

We should not be dealing with Ethiopia but Somalia to achieve our goal of recognition.