Mohmud Abbas gets standing ovation, whistles in UN

[Voltage]

At the moment where he declares he has put forward the application for statehood, the whole General Assembly erupts with applause and whistles

If only there was no such thing as a veto, even the Security Council would be a done deal!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15033357

[Cumar-Labasuul]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words...well the look on the faces of the US and Israeli representatives is priceless

[The_Emperior5]

Well done but the chances are slim for Palestine to be a full member of the UN

And obama and susan rice will veto it

[Voltage]

It doesn't matter Emperior. Legally Palestine is now considered "disputed territory" (meaning Israel legally has the right to have settlement) if Palestine is recognized by the General Assembly as a "non-member state" (you have to be approved by Security Council to become a member) they would still be recognized as a "state" and the legal understanding of Palestine will automatically shift from "disputed territory" to "occupied territory". Settlements in "occupied territory" are considered warcrimes but no one has ever tried to legally pursue Israel because Palestine was not considered occupied territory but disputed territory.

Read their interviews, watch them, analysis under the lines the Palestinians KNEW they would be vetoed, but what they are really after is the changing of the legal definition of Palestine which makes it able for them to shape the parameters of negotiations. Israel can't put "land-swaps" and "settlement offers" as compromises when to begin with it would have been illegal for Israelis to be settled in 1967 lines in any case.

Palestinians game fiican bay ciyaareen.

[Voltage]

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said he'll pursue formal U.N. membership at the Security Council, and if rejected there - a near certainty thanks to a promised U.S. veto - he'll turn to the General Assembly.

While only the Security Council can approve full membership, a two-thirds majority of U.N. member states can - and almost certainly would -- vote to upgrade the Permanent Observer Mission of Palestine from "entity" to "non-member state."

This may not sound like much, but the key word is "state."

As a recognized state, Palestine would go to other international bodies where the United States wields no veto and request membership or accession to international treaties. Each organization has its own rules for admission, but at each of them General Assembly recognition would strengthen the Palestinians' claims to membership.

The biggest jurisdictional prize cited by Palestinians is the Hague-based ICC, the successor to war crimes tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda that was created by the Rome Statute.

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And that's what frightens Israel.

Israeli generals and defense officials involved in the Gaza war have already canceled trips to international conferences in London and Madrid out of fear they could be served with international arrest warrants there.

"Israelis are afraid of being hauled to The Hague," Malley said.

Israeli newspapers reported last week that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said privately that he fears the Palestinians would also accuse Israeli settlers in the West Bank of violating the Geneva Conventions' prohibition on forced displacement of populations.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.co ... -ANALYSIS/

[Voltage]

The U.N. General Assembly's "recognition of Palestinian statehood would likely bolster the argument that the Palestinian territory is a state for purposes of Article 12 of the Rome Statute," said James Goldston, a former ICC trial attorney and executive director of the Open Society's Justice Initiative."Once the statehood legal hurdle were surmounted -- by no means a sure thing -- the question would arise of how far back jurisdiction attaches."

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/post ... es_a_state

[Voltage]

Keep in mind, legally Palestine has always been considered "disputed territory" and the PLO a "non-state actor". The least that can happen this week will make Palestine legally "occupied territory" and the PLO "Palestine government". Palestine will have the full reach of international law to take matters into its own hands in matters of international litigation and prosecution.

In fact, the International Court of Justice in 2004 issued an advisory opinion, representing the leading legal authority on the subject. In a ruling 14-1, the court held that "the Fourth Geneva Convention is applicable in the Palestinian territories which before the 1967 conflict lay to the east of the Green Line and which, during that conflict, were occupied by Israel".

The one dissenting judge was from the US, Thomas Buergenthal. Even in his dissenting judgment, he explained that:

Paragraph 6 of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention also does not admit for exceptions on grounds of military or security exigencies. It provides that "the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer part of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies". I agree that this provision applies to the Israeli settlements in the West Bank and that their existence violates Article 49, paragraph 6. It follows that the segments of the wall being built by Israel to protect the settlements are ipso facto in violation of international humanitarian law.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2909478.html

In article 85, Section 5 of the Geneva Convention

Without prejudice to the application of the Conventions and of this Protocol, grave breaches of these instruments shall be regarded as war crimes.

Do you understand how much empowered legally the Palestinians will be after Friday even if they still do not yield "real power"? Their entire understanding of "Palestine" from entire West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza will be considered occupied territory that was occupied on 1967.

They won't even see the need to agree on such things as "land swaps" because international law will be on their side and they will have the full legitimacy to pursue it in international foras as much as any other "state".

[The_Emperior5]

Voltage but that means they will be an observer state member they will have access to the international criminal court to sue Israeli Criminals similar status to the Vatican.

[Voltage]

Voltage but that means they will be an observer state member they will have access to the international criminal court to sue Israeli Criminals similar status to the Vatican.

Yes, but you don't understand why they want that so badly. Observer state recognizes them to a "state". Palestine by international law has been considered "disputed territory" above the reach of the Geneva Convention and international courts. Observer state makes them "occupied territory".

Post-World War II there are very strong international laws and treaties on how to deal in occupied territories a lot of it which was shaped by US. Once Palestine is recognized as "occupied territory" which they become automatically when they become an observer "state", it means every single Israeli settlement will come under attack by international law. Negotiations don't even have to end settlements, there are very strong binding Geneva Conventions articles which consider it war crimes!

This is what both Israel and the US hate, and what the Palestinians are really after!!

[Colonel]

This won't change a thing on the ground, Israel does not respond to international law

[The_Emperior5]

Legally voltage is right according to the international law if they keep continue to build settlements in the west bank they will be violating the borders of another Country recognized by the UN state,, status quo does it for the US and Israel actually voltage the US does not really want to veto this they are pushed and pressured on by the zionist in Washington.

[Voltage]

This won't change a thing on the ground, Israel does not respond to international law

You are awfully misinformed. This isn't a "UN resolution". No Israeli government has ever been accused of violating the Geneva Conventions (the one breach of international law even the West takes seriously) because Palestine was always considered "disputed territory".

Palestine becoming now '"occupied territory" and bring the protection of the Geneva Conventions down on them is not equal to grievas Palestinians asking local judges to file suits against visitng Israeli representatives. Isma laha. Netanyahu himself is quoted as saying more than Iran or rockets, Palestine being recognize as "occupied territory" is the biggest exisistential threat to Israel (for him at least because he is part of pro-settlement, rightwing Israeli coalition).

Netanyahu knows the game is almost up

Israeli newspapers reported last week that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said privately that he fears the Palestinians would also accuse Israeli settlers in the West Bank of violating the Geneva Conventions' prohibition on forced displacement of populations.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.co ... -ANALYSIS/

[Colonel]

Voltage your passion must be admired however I am a realist, I call things the way I see them...painting everything in pink is something I abstain from. I stand by my statement, this will not change a thing on the ground. The world already knows that Israel is a criminal state so placing more accusations on them will do no good, if anything it may push the zionist state to escalate it's operations in order to "safeguard it's nation".

[FAH1223]

[Murax]

Bullshid, who gives a shid about "International Law" if Palestine becomes occupied territory legaly or what have You, America is above the Law. The whole World wants to give Palestine membership in the UN and America says screw You to the whole world, and there is nothing the so called international community can do about it. America generates 25% of the World's Economy and a Militairy that can probably take over all of Europe if it wanted to. Israel will continue to build on Palestine land after this so called resolution mark My words