The parting of the Seas 1993

[RovingMadness]

Badgalka 1993. Allahu Naxareesto our late Great Imaam Mohamud Imaam Cumar, adeer Gen Axmed Jilacow, Abti Dr Hussein Xaji Bood and the rest of the great men & women in the following videos that are no more with us.

[RovingMadness]

What a fantastic poetry! Mashallah Abwaan Carabow!

[Voltage]

What is badgalka?

And why do you praise Gen Axmed Jilicoow just because he is from your clan if you say you dislike Siad Barre government and daily attack the "Darods" who were part of it. You only have to hear "godka Jilicoow" to know how much he represented the excesses of the former regime. The man was the jailer of political prisoners and his cruelty has well been documented by former political prisoners in Somalia. From Caydiid to Cumar Carte Qalib to Mohammed Sheikh Adden, they have all talked about the man's personal notireity and his personalyl administered political detention center represented one of the worst human rights violations accusations against the former government.

Yet here you praise him calling him "adeer" and his clan, right after they helped bring down the "regime", have no problems hoisting him as a man of honor among them. This is why you have to understand where Somalis are coming from at all situation. The only injustice that is "wrong" is the one not committed by your clan.

Anyways ilaahay hau naxariisto. He was assassinated in Mogadishu in 2007 and no one knows why to this day.

[1nemansquad]

who can guess why am laughing?

[Voltage]

Because it seems like Roving and I might be headed towards a long and boring politico-clan discussion that is getting predictable and which the forum has seen more than once. Does that mean I can't still ask a very relevant question?

I doubt 99% of the people in this forum even know Gen Jilicoow and they will soon found out a lot about him and also about why a lot of people are hypocritical about their stance on Barre and his regime.

[RovingMadness]

As always you are approaching reality from a very skewed & perverted angle in a petty attempt to derail & hijack this thread.

Gen Axmed Jilacow the father of the Somali Intelligence Service started his military career in the 1950s in Illinois where he was trained by the FBI and later went on training programs in the USSR, Egypt & Italy. His military career was essentially over by the early 80s as the regime grew most despotic & clan nepotism became the norm of the military with officers promoted or demoted entirely based on what village they hailed from. He was appointed mayor of Mogadishu in the 1980s. This idea of him being cruel and the other none sense you listed is a creation of your infertile mind. It has no historical basis. By the late 1980s, Gen Axmed Jilacow himself was a suspect of political dissent and jailed by the regime as consequence.

We know your laughable tactic of dismissing the late dictator's crimes against humanity by outsourcing them to other figures outside his clan circle like Gen Samatar in a fantastic attempt to portray the evils of the MSB Regime as one done without the approval of the dictator. Too bad for you, the MSB evils are rightly accepted & seen as a Marehan crime with the total participation and approval of Siyad Barre, his Family and clan elders. A crime they have paid for and continue to pay

[RovingMadness]

who can guess why am laughing?

You and others were lately trying to equate me to this Voltage sad case by drawing parallels between that kid & I; however, I have intentionally ignored those threads so as not to feed his ego since he graves being mentioned with my name. I hope you guys quit your games and ignore this fool

[Xamud.]

I know 1mansquad

[Hyperactive]

voltage, research and essay writing bo ko maqanyahay bal arka

[RovingMadness]

voltage, research and essay writing bo ko maqanyahay bal arka

It's quite pathetic wallahi. A cultural event was posted as a means of reminder and education but some people are so insecure and suffer from a gross inferiority complex that their first reaction is character assassination and hateful propaganda. Yet, when I put them in their pathetic place I am accused of being heavy-handed and unfair. Welcome to SNET

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

voltage, research and essay writing bo ko maqanyahay bal arka

LOL
He should be, this will be a long battle

[Voltage]

This is why I want people to understand why I always defend the Barre regime from hypocritical criticism. Gen Jilicoow was considered one of the most prominent human rights abusers in former Somalia and his personally administered prison was the number one area that used to bring human rights abuse condemnation to Somalia. Just look at the personal testimonies of these former political prisons, notice even Siad Barre and his larger government weren't part of their arrest. They were nabbed by Jilicoow and his intelligence apparatus who seemed to be a law on themselves removed from the largest aspect of governance which became took the brunt of the consequences.

That is why I have decided long time ago to forgive Siad Barre and his dictatorial regime, because there is no point in dwelling on a past that you cannot change. Moreover, I forgave that tyrannical administration because the notorious warlords who followed it, and who caused the death of at least half a million innocent Somalis according to some reliable estimates, were much worse. I even at times feel thankful and offer prayers or “duco” to Col. Ahmed Jili’ow, the man who was instrumental in my imprisonment – mainly out of tribal animosity – because he offered me, unintentionally, a crucial wake-up call that changed my life for the better. (Incidentally, I was told that Jili’ow is now stuck in lawless Mogadishu where he survives by spying on students of Islam in Somalia, on behalf of USA and other foreign governments, kidnapping some of them occasionally and selling them to the highest bidder).

http://www.somaaljecel.com/Opinions/DrMohmudYahye05.htm

http://digitalcommons.macalester.edu/cg ... 0jiliow%22

Togane who is the same clan as Jilicoow asked this question in defense of Gen Samatar

Why can�t General Mohamed Ali Samatar go back home again?

Home to Somalia

Home to Majerteenya

Home to Puntland

Home to Tumal-land

With impunity

General Jili'ow can go back home again

Anytime he wants

With impunity

http://www.togane.org/index.php/extende ... ome_again/

Yet the same people who lambast the former government praise people like this because they are from their clan, and the people who helped take down the government hoist one of the biggest symbols of repression in that government as an "honorable" figure among their clan. That's Somali "justice" for you!

The hypocrisy is nauseating wallahi.

[Advo]

Voltage raised a good point honestly, I don't see any controversy that warrants " " here.

I think this calls for a nice debate

[greenday]

I posted this in the Banadir section asking what the badgal was, no 1 could answer to my question, maybe i'll get it here.

[RovingMadness]

You lose whatever little credibility you might have when you misconstrue moral cowardice as representation of historical experience.

If Gen Ahmed Jilacow was the monstrous evil you paint him as, it would have been much easier to bring credible cases against him. That you bring a politically motivated none sense by Mohamud Yahya as the ultimate argument against Gen Ahmed Jilcow shows not only the bankrupt nature of your revisionist drivel but in fact dismisses whatever other argument you could make. Gen Ahmed Jilacow served his country proudly as a spy master, mayor/governor. Was jailed by the Siyad Barre Regime in the 80s because of his criticism of the brutality of the regime and since the collapse of the Dictator regime spearheaded many national reconciliation conferences. He was savagely murdered while he was involved in finding peaceful resolution to the Somali tragedy on the last 10 days of Ramadan. You can not rewrite his story and experience through these sadistic exercises of revisionism.

The whole idea that the Head of a nation's intelligence service was personally eavesdropping on an insignificant civilian is so preposterous and laughable it can only be believed by a Western Immigration Officer. The rest of rational humanity will dismiss it for the repulsive attacks it makes against the work of the mind.