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Do Somali atheists have a point?

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When they critisize countries such as Saudi arabia, that has different rules for muslims based on if they are royal or not?
Do they have valid points at all regarding Islam?


For example:
Saudi Arabia used to be a poor country that depended solely on the Haj season for its only income, as it has no other resources. The Haj was the only way it could get any sort of financial assistance from Egypt and El-Sham. Saudi Arabia used to borrow money from the family of Bin Laden until the Haj season came. And after the Haj it would repay the family.

But now, after the discovery of petroleum and the jump in its price, which has doubled so many times, many things have changed, and we will show how.

Politically

Saudi Arabia became a major economic power, and like the barefooted man, it bought soles with money. It paid a lot of money to buy the votes and support of many countries, politicians, presidents and others to serve Saudi Arabia and turn a blind eye to its crimes against humanity and religions. Here are some examples of what Saudi Arabia did to buy the politicians of the world:

Financed the Bill Clinton Presidential Library with $20 million.

Its relationship with the current American President, George Bush and his family and the petroleum company.

Buying the ex-minister of Lebanon to work as a spy in its intelligence agency by providing him with money.

Buying votes inside the U.N. It even got elected as a member of the Human Rights Committee. And wow – a country that violates human rights to a country that supports human rights.

Buying countries like America, Russia, China and other countries in Europe with the weapons deals in which it also achieves another goal – the Saudi Arabian ruling family makes its own profit from these deals.

Buying universities and institutes and oppressing anyone who opposes Saudi Arabia inside or outside, with Dr. Ahmed Sobhi Mansour being the best example of this.

Dominating the Arabic media in the whole world [the newspapers of Al-Shark Al-Awsat and Al-Ahaya and Al-Arabia Net and Al-Arabia TV, etc.].

Using Emad Adib, an intelligence officer in Egypt, to get access to the politicians of Egypt.

Morally

Saudi Arabia spread bribes among the Arab world and especially in Egypt, where it ruined the good morals of the Egyptian population. And so most of the Arab countries became the place for the fancies and desires of the Saudi people to be indulged. It’s enough to realize that Egypt has 2 million children without fathers and there are 50,000 paternity suits against Saudi men. Arabia as a cesspool of homosexuality.

Raping minor girls in the name of marriage in Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. You will find a 65-year old man marrying a minor girl of 13 or 14 who has a fake birth certificate that was paid for with bribes to weak-hearted people who are after petroleum money.

Paying millions of dollars for Islamic legal societies to kidnap and convert Christian girls to Islam.

Buying off high-ranking members in the Secret Services who will turn a blind eye to the kidnapping and raping of Coptic girls.

Hiring and buying Egyptian and Lebanese actresses and singers for the fancies of Saudi millionaires under the eye of the Secret Service [and of course the example of Sheikh Fahd and the famous actress who used to travel to him.

Religiously

Contributed to spread terrorism and extremism in the whole world. The evidence for this is that 15 of 19 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi Muslims holding Wahabi beliefs.

Financed Al-Qaeda with money and weapons.

Pressured Pakistan to recognize the Taliban in Afghanistan, a group that lives in the 21st century with the mentality of the 7th century.

Finances the terrorists in the Philippines, the Abu Sayaf people, and also in Thailand, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Somalia, Jordan, and all European countries, especially in Germany and Italy.

Its role in supporting and protecting the extreme Muslim Brothers in Egypt and its role in ruining the national unity of Egypt.

Its role in Somalia with the Islamic legal societies and supporting them with weapons and money to become the Taliban of Africa.

Spreading religious terrorism whose mission is to get Christians out of the Middle East. Since the 1955 Conference of the Islamic World agenda, and making the organization of the Islamic world and Saudi embassies to implement it, financed by the Islamic Bank of Feisl and the other Islamic banks.

This was written by a somali atheist blogger, what is your opinion on his assumption of the Saudis for example?
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I am not an Atheist fan but the guy painted a real picture of Saudis.
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Atheist never have a point
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shiniile9 wrote:I am not an Atheist fan but the guy painted a real picture of Saudis.
Even though we dismiss atheist as godless individuals, i must admit that they are not afraid to speak the truth about some hypocricy and deceit that is overlooked in the muslim world by muslims, simply by ignoring to critisize other "muslims".
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I don't like the house of saud nor how they carry their responsibility in the holy lands but they are puppets of the west i do not like how atheist try to hijack the Muslim religion with their Kufr Ideology what the hell is wahabi beliefs ,, mentality of the 7th Century what does that Supposed to Mean Prophet Muhammad csw and all the Ashaabis used to live in the 7th Century every muslim wants to be like them , See the west is fighting a War Against Islam so using the words of an atheist does not make sense in this case.
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Here is another piece on Somalia, written by a Somali Atheist
Somalia’s situation is not dissimilar to that of Iraq. All one has to do is to substitute sunni and Shi’a Arabs for the extant Somali clans and you get the picture. What is called for, therefore, is for commentators to have the presence of mind to be able to examine the situation with the objective reality in mind. That’s all. No need to fulminate ad infinitum about unspecified offenders and tangential, free-wheeling issues of all stripes.

There is a lot at stake. Not too many Somalis of good conscience would, under the current environment of excessive political corruption, be willingly to leave the fate of their communities to the tender mercies of the avaricious cabal in and around Villa Somalia. This is not so complicated a matter to appreciate. And no amount of over intellectualizing could conceal the simple truths that situation reveals about the low ebb into which the Somali society has fallen. Nor can we Somalis blame the whole sordid affair of repeated societal failures on Ethiopia’s reviled, ruling Tigre, minority regime—a community of mere three million members at best. (Somalis throughout the Horn of Africa and elsewhere are estimated to be over 20,0000,000 strong).
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Coeus wrote:
shiniile9 wrote:I am not an Atheist fan but the guy painted a real picture of Saudis.
Even though we dismiss atheist as godless individuals, i must admit that they are not afraid to speak the truth about some hypocricy and deceit that is overlooked in the muslim world by muslims, simply by ignoring to critisize other "muslims".
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shiniile9 wrote:I am not an Atheist fan but the guy painted a real picture of Saudis.
Even though we dismiss atheist as godless individuals, i must admit that they are not afraid to speak the truth about some hypocricy and deceit that is overlooked in the muslim world by muslims, simply by ignoring to critisize other "muslims".
True. Coeus,glad of you being back on S/net. :D
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The_Emperior5 wrote:I don't like the house of saud nor how they carry their responsibility in the holy lands but they are puppets of the west i do not like how atheist try to hijack the Muslim religion with their Kufr Ideology what the hell is wahabi beliefs ,, mentality of the 7th Century what does that Supposed to Mean Prophet Muhammad csw and all the Ashaabis used to live in the 7th Century every muslim wants to be like them , See the west is fighting a War Against Islam so using the words of an atheist does not make sense in this case.
Saudi arabia has caused many problems by spreading this wahhabi ideology, and that is only possible because of the western world's technology wich helped them extract their Oil :|
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True. Coeus,glad of you being back on S/net. :D
Thank you bro :up: :D
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How do you know it was written by a somali atheist? Isn't it the case that somalis who do not subscribe to the notion of wahabism are all dubbed as atheists?

It seems that the concept of atheists has a wider defination amongst somalis; it could be applied to secular somalis too.

I have during my life witnessed somali christians , somali communists, somali secularists, somali sufis but never a somali atheist.
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Lamgoodle wrote:How do you know it was written by a somali atheist? Isn't it the case that somalis who do not subscribe to the notion of wahabism are all dubbed as atheists?

It seems that the concept of atheists has a wider defination amongst somalis; it could be applied to secular somalis too.

I have during my life witnessed somali christians , somali communists, somali secularists, somali sufis but never a somali atheist.
Here is the source :)

http://somaliatheism.blogspot.com/
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Coeus wrote:
Lamgoodle wrote:How do you know it was written by a somali atheist? Isn't it the case that somalis who do not subscribe to the notion of wahabism are all dubbed as atheists?

It seems that the concept of atheists has a wider defination amongst somalis; it could be applied to secular somalis too.

I have during my life witnessed somali christians , somali communists, somali secularists, somali sufis but never a somali atheist.
Here is the source :)

http://somaliatheism.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the link. But my point that any somali who does not but the sick arab ideology of wahabism is automatically viewed as an atheist stands.
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Coeus wrote:
The_Emperior5 wrote:I don't like the house of saud nor how they carry their responsibility in the holy lands but they are puppets of the west i do not like how atheist try to hijack the Muslim religion with their Kufr Ideology what the hell is wahabi beliefs ,, mentality of the 7th Century what does that Supposed to Mean Prophet Muhammad csw and all the Ashaabis used to live in the 7th Century every muslim wants to be like them , See the west is fighting a War Against Islam so using the words of an atheist does not make sense in this case.
Saudi arabia has caused many problems by spreading this wahhabi ideology, and that is only possible because of the western world's technology wich helped them extract their Oil :|
The problem is not the ideology of Muhammad Ibn abdulwahaab the problem is the west having a war with Islam and the west does not want to see a Muslim Super power in the middle east the house of saud are the best friends of Washington.

World wide Islamic Sharia is not a wahaabi ideology its an Islamic one.
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An atheist is a walking contradiction, that fact that he has thoughts about anything is a contradiction in it of itself because really, who gave him the ability to think?
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I am on my way to make a bet that I and a few other contributors to this thread will be called "atheists" because we mention wahabism :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


The greatest thinkers on earth were atheists.
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