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The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunities?

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Yemen air force commander killed in car bomb attack
http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article516257.ece

Security in Yemen Deteriorating Dramatically, UN Envoy Warns
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1110/S ... -warns.htm

Neglect of Yemen crisis risks Somalia repeat - UN aid chief
http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/negl ... -aid-chief

The world is changing. Notably Somalia & Yemen. We as Somalis have a geopolitical strategy in the Gulf & the Indian ocean that we must pursue.

The situation today is that There is islands in our economical Zone, wich is claimed by Yemen. The UN charter says that everything in the Economic Zone belongs to the country wich own the Economic Zone.

Yemen owns island that are only 14 miles from Bosaso, Somalia, although its our RIGHT to have all of the Indian ocean that falls under our Economical Zone under our possesion.

I believe for Somalia to secure its future, we should not only have an Africa Policy, but also a Middle east policy, since we have an enemy that has taken advantage of our decades of pre occupying ourselves with Ethiopia.

For this foreign policy to be initiated, i hope the elected goverment in August 2012, brings this up.

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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Since when have Yemen ever prevented us from anything?

Opportunity kulahaa. We can't exploit the opportunities under our nose on our god given soil what makes you think we will sudenly become this big strategic nation?

We are a nation of failures functioning on 7th century tribal mentality and want to be taken seriously by people whose economic and political achievements in the 18th century we can't match in the present day.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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INSHALLAH SOCOTRA WILL BECOME IS COLONY OF THE PUNLTAND REPUBLIC!
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Both responses lack intellectual content.

F*** off. :arrow:
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Yemen have never been a threat to us. We've always been allies.

Also, you can forget about Gulf of Aden + Indian Ocean. The Gulf of Aden is one of the most important areas in the world, as China go through there for their Sudan oil, and US want to keep a stronghold right there to rough up the Chinese. A strong stable Yemen & Somalia would be problematic for the US.

Our location is a blessing & a curse at the same time.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Beenaale_No1 wrote:Yemen have never been a threat to us. We've always been allies.

Also, you can forget about Gulf of Aden + Indian Ocean. The Gulf of Aden is one of the most important areas in the world, as China go through there for their Sudan oil, and US want to keep a stronghold right there to rough up the Chinese. A strong stable Yemen & Somalia would be problematic for the US.

Our location is a blessing & a curse at the same time.
This is not about cutting off vital supply lines. Its about securing our statehood, and erecting a regional dominance.

Yemen was never our ally. No country is, especially no arab country.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Yemen does not claim, or occupy, or own any land that has ever belonged to the Somali Republic or the Somali people. For the last 1millionth time, the Island of Socotra has never been part of Somalia, the independent nation; the colonial geographic of Somali lands in the part; and neither the historical land of the Somali people or Somali suzerainty.

Socotra is now part of the Republic of Yemen, during colonization was administered as part of Britain's south Yemen colony (not part of Britain's Somaliland colony) and prior to that was under the suzerainty and influence of Yemeni Sultans from the region of Hadramout. The Socotrans themselves are not Somalis, not even Cushitic, and their language is a South-Arabian Semitic language, one of many among those spoken by Yemenis.

What you are advocating for is injustic and unnecessary problems with Yemen by claiming land that we have never claimed before and we and the world have always recognized to be part and parcel of the Yemeni indentity. So what if Socotra is closer to Somalia?

How many Islands are closer to other nations but owned by nations farther?

If you really care about Somalia and its future, you would not be advocating for more wars especially one based on misguided aggression like you are directing at Yemen by arguing we should forcefully annex their legitimate land.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Coeus wrote:Both responses lack intellectual content.

F*** off. :arrow:
your entire argument is flawed and that's me being nice
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Voltage wrote:Yemen does not claim, or occupy, or own any land that has ever belonged to the Somali Republic or the Somali people. For the last 1millionth time, the Island of Socotra has never been part of Somalia, the independent nation; the colonial geographic of Somali lands in the part; and neither the historical land of the Somali people or Somali suzerainty.

Socotra is now part of the Republic of Yemen, during colonization was administered as part of Britain's south Yemen colony (not part of Britain's Somaliland colony) and prior to that was under the suzerainty and influence of Yemeni Sultans from the region of Hadramout. The Socotrans themselves are not Somalis, not even Cushitic, and their language is a South-Arabian Semitic language, one of many among those spoken by Yemenis.

What you are advocating for is injustic and unnecessary problems with Yemen by claiming land that we have never claimed before and we and the world have always recognized to be part and parcel of the Yemeni indentity. So what if Socotra is closer to Somalia?

How many Islands are closer to other nations but owned by nations farther?
Read my statement again. I am only particular interested in ensuring that Somalia owns the surronding water of Socotra. The possibility of yemen stationing warships so close to Somalia is a nightmare scenario. And thus passive "lets stay friends" attitude wont ensure safety for Somalia.

And nobody cares about the people in socotra, some are Somali, some are arabs. What matters is its geography, and where it lies. And it is to close to Somalia. That are should be adminstrated by Somalia, since having another "country" so close to Somalia is insane.

That is why the TFG parliament asked the UN to resolve this issue:

For First Time in History, Somalia Claims Socotra as Its Own
Somalia has claimed that the islands of Yemeni Socotra Archipelago are part of it, requesting the United Nations to determine the status of the archipelago, executive director of the Saba Center for Strategic Studies said.

The unstable horn of Africa country with a transitional government receiving unlimited support from Yemen said it has the right to administer the archipelago, which lies about 340 km from the Yemeni coast, because it is located within its territory and borders, Ahmed Abdul Karim Saif made clear.

'The Somali claim is an unprecedented and dangerous indicator at a time when local activists and organizations are demanding to give Socotra a suitable status according to its geopolitical and strategic location, boost all services on it and take all necessary measures to keep other countries away from thinking of any part of Yemen.'

In response, Yemen submitted a request to the UN saying the archipelago is Yemeni and history and its influence on it prove its claim, he said.

Yemen's response came late and helped prevent a dispute over the archipelago, said Saif, as he ruled out that Socotra is currently a matter of dispute between the two countries.

The remarks were given at a seminar on Socotra, at which the participants voiced concerns about the situation of the archipelago amid poor basic services and infrastructure.

They said the current situation in Socotra could lead to unacceptable security, military and economic consequences that may hamper preparing the investment climate on it and its development as Yemen is seeking to better use its potentials.

Moreover, they urged the government to address all issues affecting the interest of the Socotra people and their traditions.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Your immaturity is coming out. Not by personal conduct, but rather how ill informed you are to discuss such international issues. I remember that article and it was unsubstantiated. Even if there were Somalis in this modern era who would be so shameless as to try to put a claim towards land that is very much not theirs, it will be "the first time" as is said in that article. Well expect much from today illiterate and unequipped warlord parliament.

Somalia was an existing country with an erudite foreign policy both in the military government of Siad Barre as well as the post-colonial civilian governments. Even prior to independence, a defining and unifying theme was that of Somalia irredentism or the unifying of Somali lands. We have even went to war twice for such expansionist driven politics and not ounce in the annals of that history did legitimate Somalia ever claim Socotra.

There is a reason you see and that plain reason is it is not ours and never has been ours. Almost everyone who has responded has told you as much.

Also, I have read extensively on the Island and Somalis are not even a mentionable minority. And also I think your obsession with exclusive economic zone might have to do with your own ignorance about the subject. I would advise you to do more research on it before advocating for international wars.
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Voltage wrote:Your immaturity is coming out. Not by personal conduct, but rather how ill informed you are to discuss such international issues. I remember that article and it was unsubstantiated. Even if there were Somalis in this modern era who would be so shameless as to try to put a claim towards land that is very much not theirs, it will be "the first time" as is said in that article. Well expect much from today illiterate and unequipped warlord parliament.

Somalia was an existing country with an erudite foreign policy both in the military government of Siad Barre as well as the post-colonial civilian governments. Even prior to independence, a defining and unifying theme was that of Somalia irredentism or the unifying of Somali lands. We have even went to war twice for such expansionist driven politics and not ounce in the annals of that history did legitimate Somalia ever claim Socotra.

There is a reason you see and that plain reason is it is not ours and never has been ours. Almost everyone who has responded has told you as much.
It seems this is the second time, you answer without reading what i wrote. Socotra is geoghraphicly to close to Somalia. Somalia does not need another reason to patroll around socotra then that.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Fortunately such things are not decided by "geographically proximity". And obviously once Somalia gets its act together and has amicable relations with Yemen, I don't even think the matter of Yemeni or Somali patrols around the Island would be a big disagreement.
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Voltage wrote:Fortunately such things are not decided by "geographically proximity". And obviously once Somalia gets its act together and has amicable relations with Yemen, I don't even think the matter of Yemeni or Somali patrols around the Island would be a big disagreement.
Well, that is your opinion, voltage. I entertain another one.
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Coeus wrote:
Voltage wrote:Fortunately such things are not decided by "geographically proximity". And obviously once Somalia gets its act together and has amicable relations with Yemen, I don't even think the matter of Yemeni or Somali patrols around the Island would be a big disagreement.
Well, that is your opinion, voltage. I entertain another one.
and what basis does your opinion have? any historical evidence to suggest such things?
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Re: The Recovery of Somalia & the End of Yemen= Opportunitie

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Beenaale_No1 wrote:Yemen have never been a threat to us. We've always been allies.

They aided Ethiopia in the 1977 war.
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