Kenya, Uganda, and Burundi appreciation thread.

[Voltage]

I just want to take this opportunity to recognize the bravery, humanity, and the sacrifice our three great African brethren nations of Kenya, Uganda, and Burundi have shown in finally taking the lead to end the Somali civil war. While Ethiopia has done everything possible to sabotage Somali peace and was an active participant to the Somali civil war, these three African nations are at the front of a selfless African sacrifice to champion peace, security, and the end of civil war to Somalia. What do Uganda and Burundi gain from wasting men and resources in Somalia? If Kenya wanted to participate in the Somali civil war or had ulterior motives, why didn't they get involved the last 20 years? First and foremost it should be recognized that this is a sacrifice on their part and we should applaud them for it. Even the ulterior motives mentioned by the always cynical, suspicious, and the uneducated, illiterate Somalis with overly emotional pseudo-nationalistic jingoism is not comparable, a "quid pro quo" for the sacrifice shown by these nations. I remember watching a US Congress hearing on the beginnings of AMISOM mandate and the Burundi commander said "Somalia in the 70's was Africa's pride and we in Burundi used to go to Somalia for training". It is in that spirit these brave African countries have taken up the mantle with much sacrifice on their part.

I will reiterate some of the earlier appreciation I have shown:

Wallahi I have looked at every possible scenerio to explain why Uganda stepped up so strongly and stays committed and I have to say it is more than money. After all, the same amount of money and support provided to Uganda would be provided to all other African countries who did step. I think Museveni genuinely wants to pacify Somalia and go down in history as an African legend who stepped up to end one of Africa's most protracted civil war. Burundi is the other country that stepped up and when this was all starting, the commander of the Burundi Armed Forces was testifying infront of the U.S. Congress and he said "when we wanted to build up our army, we had to call in Somali commanders and airforce pilots to train our troops and build our airforce up, as a result our president and we in Burundi feel indebted to the strong Somali state of Africa that existed and wish to help bring back that past for our brothers". I researched and it was true, Somalia is held in high regard all around there because Somalia when it was the strongest military power in sub-Saharan Africa was instrumental in the liberation struggles and nation building of all these African states. I can get you this testimony if you want.

Also do you not remember the article Thabo Mbeki wrote a while ago in which he said "Somalia was the only nation to provide direct support to us and the supplies brought in to support the ANC was also shipped from Somali ports".

For many years afterwards Mogadishu and Somalia remained in our memories as African places of hope for us, a reliable rear base for the total liberation of Africa, including our liberation from apartheid. Indeed, in later years, others of our comrades returned to Mogadishu, this time to work with the Somali government to prepare for the clandestine infiltration into South Africa of cadres of Umkhonto we Sizwe [the military wing of ANC], who would travel to apartheid South Africa by sea, secretly departing from the Somali ports”

Arabs are our brothers in religion and shared culture and history, but we are African and one of Aabe Siyaad's greatest legacy is his avowed pan-Africanism that makes our name still special among the educated class of Africa.

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Yes we will because Africa won't beg us to end the war. Imagine if Africa was as powerful as Europe now and Uganda and Burundi as militarily and economically powerful as France and U.K. As poor little things, they are protecting the seat of Somalia's presidency now. As powerful as those countries they would invade from every km of Somalia's coastline and forcefully disarm us and make us sit like babies with hands tied behind our backs.

Strong Africa is strong Somalia, wallahul cadiim.

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Those real nationalist Somalis who look at this from a perspective of pragmatism appreciate your sacrifice in Somalia, the effort you have shown to defeat Al Shabaab and disarm warlords, and keep the hope alive for a functioning Somali state.

May yo u prosper and one day all Somalis will repay you back in kind brothers.

[Twist]

You're losing it, buddy.

[Voltage]

You're losing it, buddy.

Can you give me one reason why I am "losing" it? Just one.

[Oxidant]

[Twist]

You're losing it, buddy.

Can you give me one reason why I am "losing" it? Just one.

The fact that you said they are there out of sacrifice on their part. That's the biggest load bollocks I've heard for a while!

[Voltage]

The fact that you said they are there out of sacrifice on their part. That's the biggest load bollocks I've heard for a while!

In the real world, we go by facts. As far as I am concerned, no nations sends its troops into a place like Mogadishu and Somalia out of the ordinary and stays put there after everything else including the constant drain, the daily attack, even through the ineffectiveness and corruption of that which they are protecting (TFG). Certainly the two countries who have shown to harbor the biggest ulterior motives about Somalia (US and Ethiopia) couldn't handle it.

What would make Burundi do this that wouldn't make a bigger nation like Nigeria and South Africa if it weren't sacrifice?

Let's stop being typical Somalis here and deal with facts.

[Voltage]

Strong Africa is strong Somalia

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[Voltage]

Strong Africa is strong Somalia

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[Voltage]

Strong Africa is strong Somalia

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[Voltage]

Listen to the voices of the people under their care! They appreciate the sacrifice shown by their courageous African brethren of ours!

I am sick and tired of you ignorantly arrogant hypocritcal pseudo-nationalists in some Western living room or terrorist supporter types who are against them simply because they are fighting their destructive group.

Kenya, Uganda, and Burundi will go down in history as the people who helped end one of Africa's most protracted civil wars and we will remember them in a special way.

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage,

We might as well appreciate the EU and the US for their financial contributions that make AMISOM possible.


I am not going to knock AMISOM because my interactions with them have always been pleasant unlike the riff raff Somali authorities.

[Voltage]

Abdiwahab, seriously brother we have not agreed much in internal Somali politics but I have always respected your understanding of it. Am I honestly wrong in this position?

[Twist]

The fact that you said they are there out of sacrifice on their part. That's the biggest load bollocks I've heard for a while!

In the real world, we go by facts. As far as I am concerned, no nations sends its troops into a place like Mogadishu and Somalia out of the ordinary and stays put there after everything else including the constant drain, the daily attack, even through the ineffectiveness and corruption of that which they are protecting (TFG). Certainly the two countries who have shown to harbor the biggest ulterior motives about Somalia (US and Ethiopia) couldn't handle it.

What would make Burundi do this that wouldn't make a bigger nation like Nigeria and South Africa if it weren't sacrifice?

Let's stop being typical Somalis here and deal with facts.

Voltage, walaalo you can recite those verses to people that buy it but not me. Anyway, I long time ago got tired of Somali politics & gave up on any hope of good outcome from it so enjoy it, abti.

Adios!

[Voltage]

I didn't suppose any facts because to be honest I can't imagine there would be an answer to the question I asked. I am a Somali and very versed in the ways of my people. The only people on your side of the aisle are Al Shabaab-supporters and pseudo-nationalists in the diaspora who think they are "principled" by refusing any international help and assistance even if it means the country will never get out of civil war.

Save me the fake cries of both. Time to be real pragmatic.

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage,

These countries have their own agenda and are in Somalia for their own reasons. However, all nations have their own agendas and as long as we are facing an enemy like Shabab with whom no compromise or negotiation occur with, we will need AMISOM.

If I am going to place the blame, it would rest it at the feet of the Somalis. AMISOM came in with good intentions but could not find a credible SOmali partner. They will financial benefits from the Western largesse for doing a job that no other nation is willing to do.

I know that some people will say AMISOM are foreigners who are oppressing the Somalis and taken over the country. But what about the AlQaeda in Shabab's ranks ? Or the Ethiopian backed Bantustans ? We lost control of our own destiny in the 1990s.