How Will Federalism Work?

[dagameison]

Hi Guys,

Lets discuss this important topic on how federalism will work in Somalia. The constitution is clear that two regions or more can form a regional administration. But what about areas where people live together in the same region? What if they dont want to share the region? For example Mudug is north and south who owns the region? there needs be a mechanism regarding this because it is a ticking time-bomb.

There's only 3 avenues to address these sensitive issue. 1. Have the clans in those shared states vote for which administration they want ruling in their region but this will be very costly effect. 2. Decide who's majority in the state by who owns the most cities of the region as per the guidelines of when the state was created none of this karkaar and cayn stuff. 3. Divide the share states and create two regions out of it.

Now it seems like puntland has opted for the third option but the third option which is not recognised in the somalia's tfg it doesnt say karkaar or cayn it still works on the 18 states formula which is the best way forward in my opionion because you dont want every just carving out a state where their clan lives. It causes confusion and will turn somalia into 50 different states and noone wins out of it. For example if we divide mudug into 2 states I still get to have 1 state from it on-top of my existing 2 states which means 3 states. Wa isla meeshi. Or if u divide sanaag into two regions the status quo wont change for either administration.

I think the best option is to go through by calaculating who owns the most regional cities of the state and towns and giving the state to that clan. We will need to use a formula 1991 formula of recognised cities in that state not everyone tuulo's. Mudug Was 5 recognised cities in 1991. Gaalkacyo- Galdogob - Jariban. Harar dheere-Hobyo for galmudug. Its obvious 3 cities is more then 2 so mudug by default is majority puntland and the state will need to be awarded to them.

As for Sanaag the same formula Badhan-El Afweyn-Erigavo-Dhahar-Laasqoray the Majority goes to puntland. As for cayn well it can exist at regional level and be apart of puntland but at federal level it is toghdheer and will remain so.

So I believe the best avenue is is to recognise that mudug-bari-nugal-sool-sanaag as federally under puntland and regionally for shared states to align with their local administrations based on tribes which I think is already occurring anyways because we are allocated 1/3 of of everything that comes through somalia and thats 33% if u calculate mudug-nugal-bari well thats 1/6 or 16%. I believe when farole said 1/3 should go to puntland. Its obvious he was calculating from 18 states of somalia and puntland owning 5 of them mudug-nugal-bari-sool-sanag which works out to be 33% or 1/3.

The formula is 5 states divide 18 you will get exactly the percentage farole keeps going on about that is puntland share's but if you say 3 states from 18 you get a whole different picture being more like 15%

Finally the contentious issue of new states forming up like karkaaar-cayn will be a bit of an issue I believe these are ok as long as their recognised as local counties within the state govt and federally come under their recognised borders as per 1991

[The_Emperior5]

Not it Can't work federal states with a weak central government is the last thing what is good for Somalia people need to abolish this federalism

[abdikarim86]

Not it Can't work federal states with a weak central government is the last thing what is good for Somalia people need to abolish this federalism

So you want a centralised government for Somalia?

[The_Emperior5]

Not it Can't work federal states with a weak central government is the last thing what is good for Somalia people need to abolish this federalism

So you want a centralised government for Somalia?

Not really centralized decentralize it and set up provincial administrations but with a strong central government Walahi Federalism is dangerous For Somalia Somalia is not Ethiopia with more than 15 different ethnic Groups. Somalis had it good in the sixties it wasn't bad you just need to establish provincial Administration with local rule but with a strong central government.If there is democracy the country will be back on its feet but Somalis just think when they hear a strong central government of the one authorial regime of the late General Muhammad Siyad bare that was a dictatorship.

[abdikarim86]

Not it Can't work federal states with a weak central government is the last thing what is good for Somalia people need to abolish this federalism

So you want a centralised government for Somalia?

Not really centralized decentralize it and set up provincial administrations but with a strong central government Walahi Federalism is dangerous For Somalia Somalia is not Ethiopia with more than 15 different ethnic Groups. Somalis had it good in the sixties it wasn't bad you just need to establish provincial Administration with local rule but with a strong central government.If there is democracy the country will be back on its feet but Somalis just think when they hear a strong central government of the one authorial regime of the late General Muhammad Siyad bare that was a dictatorship.

A strong central government is what killed Somalia.
You must be crazy to suggest going through it again.

[The_Emperior5]

No a strong central government didn't kill Somalia dictatorship killed Somalia give Somalia democracy and let people vote for their mps and political leaders set up provincial administrations with a strong central goverment and things will get better

[abdikarim86]

In the case of Somaliland you'd like a strong central government as well?

Regions taking care of themselves and then this leading to a grassroots level union is the best hope for Somalia.
A strong central government requires a top down approach and that won't happen in a million years.

[The_Emperior5]

In the case of Somaliland you'd like a strong central government as well?

Regions taking care of themselves and then this leading to a grassroots level union is the best hope for Somalia.
A strong central government requires a top down approach and that won't happen in a million years.

No what Somalia's regional states did puntland galmudug ximan iyo xeeb and ahlu sunna is good from the grassroot level but you need a strong central authority that runs the country i am not saying everything should be in one place i am not for centralization Somalia's upper parliament can be Bosaaso or garowe the Cabinet can be Mogadisho the army bases can be in qardho or baydhabo give people the right to vote for their leaders and things will be fine mark my words.

Somaliland is already a strong centralized government but there is also provincial administrations in Somaliland each and every region of Somaliland has its own department of health education Transport immigration office etc

[abdikarim86]

In the case of Somaliland you'd like a strong central government as well?

Regions taking care of themselves and then this leading to a grassroots level union is the best hope for Somalia.
A strong central government requires a top down approach and that won't happen in a million years.

No what Somalia's regional states did puntland galmudug ximan iyo xeeb and ahlu sunna is good from the grassroot level but you need a strong central authority that runs the country i am not saying everything should be in one place i am not for centralization Somalia's upper parliament can be Bosaaso or garowe the Cabinet can be Mogadisho the army bases can be in qardho or baydhabo give people the right to vote for their leaders and things will be fine mark my words.

Somaliland is already a strong centralized government but there is also provincial administrations in Somaliland each and every region of Somaliland has its own department of health education Transport immigration office etc

Ileen power maniac baad tahay

Decentralisation is the future, most people have accepted this.
.....Inshallah the constitution of Somaliland will change to allow regions to
rule themselves. I for one hope an elected badhasaab will be introduced.

[The_Emperior5]

Yeah you are right the governors of Somaliland are not voted for but the mayors are President Siilaanyos Names the governors of each and every region that will change some where in the near future

[abdikarim86]

Yeah you are right the governors of Somaliland are not voted for but the mayors are President Siilaanyos Names the governors of each and every region that will change some where in the near future

Bottom line is the president of Sland has way too much power.

And until he (The president ...not Silaanyo per se) is stripped of much of that power Somaliland cannot rest.
Onwards with decentralisation and weaker Central Government

[The_Emperior5]

Yeah you are right the governors of Somaliland are not voted for but the mayors are President Siilaanyos Names the governors of each and every region that will change some where in the near future

Bottom line is the president of Sland has way too much power.

And until he (The president ...not Silaanyo per se) is stripped of much of that power Somaliland cannot rest.
Onwards with decentralisation and weaker Central Government

No its fine the governors are only named but the mayors are all voted for the same with all the MPS local councilors
The president only is the head of state Commander in chief appoints Military Generals and runs the goverment its fine Abdikarimow.

[dagameison]

emperior isaaq is not strong clan in somalia u will need to accept this or else u will need to explain why u havent been able to get recognition for 20 years!!!

I succeeded and was able to create federalism and on-top of that influence america on a two track policy? I am having my policies win locally like azania-awdal state-hiiran-galmudug, but also have it endorsed outside as the most logical system for somalis.

Ur an idiot you wont win in somali politics because u only speak from clan point and u think the western govts are stupid or dont know opportunists? I am opportunist but I hide it very well. I dont say endorse federalism because darods are majority in the gobol I say its good to start from bottom to top approach!!! I dont say support single dual track policy to garowe because i will be seen as tribalist and will lose credibility in the western govt eyes thats why I say support puntland and somaliland to give my argument legitmacy that im not thinking only tribally.

Because I know if shit gets bad I can finish isaaq in 2 hrs in war but if shit gets bad with hawiye well im not as confident thats why I want to take away any power given to mogadishu as much as I can to weaken it but you well you are not huge threat like hawiye is because 1 ur not in hamar and 2 u dont have big army we seen it 2003 reer mahad ba ku filan

[The_Emperior5]

emperior isaaq is not strong clan in somalia u will need to accept this or else u will need to explain why u havent been able to get recognition for 20 years!!!

I succeeded and was able to create federalism and on-top of that influence america on a two track policy? I am having my policies win locally like azania-awdal state-hiiran-galmudug, but also have it endorsed outside as the most logical system for somalis.

Ur an idiot you wont win in somali politics because u only speak from clan point and u think the western govts are stupid or dont know opportunists? I am opportunist but I hide it very well. I dont say endorse federalism because darods are majority in the gobol I say its good to start from bottom to top approach!!! I dont say support single dual track policy to garowe because i will be seen as tribalist and will lose credibility in the western govt eyes thats why I say support puntland and somaliland to give my argument legitmacy that im not thinking only tribally.

Because I know if shit gets bad I can finish isaaq in 2 hrs in war but if shit gets bad with hawiye well im not as confident thats why I want to take away any power given to mogadishu as much as I can to weaken it but you well you are not huge threat like hawiye is because 1 ur not in hamar and 2 u dont have big army we seen it 2003 reer mahad ba ku filan

Lool do you think hawiye is a stupid Clan or something they will never ever let some one else rule them in Mogadisho when you come with that mindset and there is nothing to accept my people rejected Somalia more than 4 decades ago they are the real power in the horn of africa no one can ever challenge them you're on opportunist two but you write it on a forum you do know the CIA reads Somali forums they even tweet this forum You failed Cusmano again and again you keep failing the same with you're Clan you keep on failing and failing and failing.

[abdikarim86]

emperior isaaq is not strong clan in somalia u will need to accept this or else u will need to explain why u havent been able to get recognition for 20 years!!!

I succeeded and was able to create federalism and on-top of that influence america on a two track policy? I am having my policies win locally like azania-awdal state-hiiran-galmudug, but also have it endorsed outside as the most logical system for somalis.

Ur an idiot you wont win in somali politics because u only speak from clan point and u think the western govts are stupid or dont know opportunists? I am opportunist but I hide it very well. I dont say endorse federalism because darods are majority in the gobol I say its good to start from bottom to top approach!!! I dont say support single dual track policy to garowe because i will be seen as tribalist and will lose credibility in the western govt eyes thats why I say support puntland and somaliland to give my argument legitmacy that im not thinking only tribally.

Because I know if shit gets bad I can finish isaaq in 2 hrs in war but if shit gets bad with hawiye well im not as confident thats why I want to take away any power given to mogadishu as much as I can to weaken it but you well you are not huge threat like hawiye is because 1 ur not in hamar and 2 u dont have big army we seen it 2003 reer mahad ba ku filan

Very interesting....bal waxad inoo sheegtaa how you can tell Isaaqs apart from other Somalis.
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