RE: Peace down south means war up North

[XimanJaale]

That thread was very powerful, that I had to make this statement:

When South Somalia (anywhere below Gaalkacyo), gets strong peace and unity and a developed government. This will definetly cause MASSIVE war in North Somalia (anywhere above Gaalkacyo). Why?

South Somalia= Has the capital city, Has the biggest population, Has fertile land, Has 3 rivers etc.

When South Somalia gets peace, this will mean MASSIVE development and economic growth. This is bad news for North Somalia.

North Somalia= Has barren land, Has small population etc.

Bare in mind, 40% of the population of North Somalia TODAY are from South Somalia. 50% of the businesses in North Somalia are owned by people from South Somalia. If South Somalia gets peace all the people from South Somalia will come back to their own land. This will mean, North Somalia will lose 40% of its current population and 50% of the business established there. For example; the biggest and only eye surgeon and clinic is owned by a Marehan doctors whom hail from South Somalia etc hence imagine all the businesses owned by Reer South Somalia that will be re-located back to South Somalia.

If South Somalia gets peace, the ports of Mogadishu, Kismaayo, Baraawe and Marka will be used, as Bosaaso and Berbera port will not be needed anymore.

All this will lead to economic frustration in the North Somalia and futhermore will cause the people of North Somalia to become more agitated, this will build up tension between the locals. This will cause different war outbreaks, such as resource war caused by tribal tension.

Now that South Somalia also known as the dominant region of Somalia since 1960, will have peace and security + economic development + educational & health development. This will cause people in North Somalia to feel left out, and the patriotic tribes in North Somalia such as Dhulbahante, Gadabursi etc, will totally abandon the 'independent' motto, and will directly support the admistration (government) in Somalia. This will further cause war between the Pro-independence and the anti-independence.

All this is the reason why the people in North Somalia are against peace developing in South Somalia, thats why you see the diaspora from North Somalia funding Al-Shabaab or other rebel movements. Thats why certain tribes from North Somalia are putting obstacles in the peace effort of South Somalia through TFG or other adminstrations.

[tightrope]

KEEP DREAMING!

[XimanJaale]

KEEP DREAMING!

This is not a dream, its facts that we should discuss. This is something people from North Somalia should be aware of, so that they can re-evaluate their ideology.

[abgaalKING]

I will advocate for a south somali state seceding from the rest of somalia.

[SahanGalbeed]

There are already 2 other threads started by your people on this matter , you're not that important .
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=291775
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=291774

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

I don't think in a million years a Somali will say to himself, "let me go live with those nice, wonderful people in Dhusomareeb." Or instead of Dhusomareeb, insert another southern shit hole where people are known to be jaahils. Somalis flock to places like Bosaso not just because its stable but because they know people in Bari have good culture and they respect human life and property. You will hear about people being evicted and their property materials looted in front of them in Xamar, Kismayo, even the little southern villages - but you will never hear that even in Gaalkacyo on its bad days. Criminals exist everywhere but in some places criminal mentality is the standard way of life. It comes down to that. Prosperity can't just miraculously come to people who are born into a xaram culture. That's why Switzerland is the way it is, and that's why Haiti is the way it is. I hate to say it but that's the truth, take it how you want. A person from Xamar does not decide to settle in Burtinle over Bardheere because Burtinle is any safer, he chooses Burtinle because people there don't believe in that "unuka leh" bullshit. When southies learn that you can only own what you have earned or been given with consent, they will prosper. Unfortunately, everyone south of Gaalkacyo believes it is xalal to take property by force.

That's the truth.

[Estarix]

archaic fused with wishful thinking produces this.....garbage.

[XimanJaale]

I don't think in a million years a Somali will say to himself, "let me go live with those nice, wonderful people in Dhusomareeb." Or instead of Dhusomareeb, insert another southern shit hole where people are known to be jaahils. Somalis flock to places like Bosaso not just because its stable but because they know people in Bari have good culture and they respect human life and property. You will hear about people being evicted and their property materials looted in front of them in Xamar, Kismayo, even the little southern villages - but you will never hear that even in Gaalkacyo on its bad days. Criminals exist everywhere but in some places criminal mentality is the standard way of life. It comes down to that. Prosperity can't just miraculously come to people who are born into a xaram culture. That's why Switzerland is the way it is, and that's why Haiti is the way it is. I hate to say it but that's the truth, take it how you want. A person from Xamar does not decide to settle in Burtinle over Bardheere because Burtinle is any safer, he chooses Burtinle because people there don't believe in that "unuka leh" bullshit. When southies learn that you can only own what you have earned or been given with consent, they will prosper. Unfortunately, everyone south of Gaalkacyo believes it is xalal to take property by force.

That's the truth.

You must be one of those arrogant people whom are narrow minded.

My point wasn't that people from North Somalia will go South Somalia. My point was that the 40% people whom are from South Somalia will go BACK to their tribal land in South Somalia once their land is peaceful. That will mean that the 50% of the Southerners businesses in North Somalia will be re-located to their own land in South Somalia.

For instance, the Marehan businesses in Xaafada Buurdhuubo in Boosaaso will re-locate to South Somalia etc. Or the Raxanweyn stores in Gaalkacyo will re-locate to South Somalia, or the Hawiye business in Hargeysa will re-locate to South Somalia. This will mean that North Somalia will lose its enjoyment of temporary population of Southerners and North Somalia will go back to its own ways as before, which is low populated barren land.

Also quit labelling South Somalia as Moryaans, because before 1991 places in South Somalia such as Xamar was the safest city in Africa, whom different races came for holidays. All Somalis are the same, so quit labelling people as vicious animals. Your a sad case wallahi.

[CismanMaxamud1]

I don't think in a million years a Somali will say to himself, "let me go live with those nice, wonderful people in Dhusomareeb." Or instead of Dhusomareeb, insert another southern shit hole where people are known to be jaahils. Somalis flock to places like Bosaso not just because its stable but because they know people in Bari have good culture and they respect human life and property. You will hear about people being evicted and their property materials looted in front of them in Xamar, Kismayo, even the little southern villages - but you will never hear that even in Gaalkacyo on its bad days. Criminals exist everywhere but in some places criminal mentality is the standard way of life. It comes down to that. Prosperity can't just miraculously come to people who are born into a xaram culture. That's why Switzerland is the way it is, and that's why Haiti is the way it is. I hate to say it but that's the truth, take it how you want. A person from Xamar does not decide to settle in Burtinle over Bardheere because Burtinle is any safer, he chooses Burtinle because people there don't believe in that "unuka leh" bullshit. When southies learn that you can only own what you have earned or been given with consent, they will prosper. Unfortunately, everyone south of Gaalkacyo believes it is xalal to take property by force.

That's the truth.

[galia]

I don't think in a million years a Somali will say to himself, "let me go live with those nice, wonderful people in Dhusomareeb." Or instead of Dhusomareeb, insert another southern shit hole where people are known to be jaahils. Somalis flock to places like Bosaso not just because its stable but because they know people in Bari have good culture and they respect human life and property. You will hear about people being evicted and their property materials looted in front of them in Xamar, Kismayo, even the little southern villages - but you will never hear that even in Gaalkacyo on its bad days. Criminals exist everywhere but in some places criminal mentality is the standard way of life. It comes down to that. Prosperity can't just miraculously come to people who are born into a xaram culture. That's why Switzerland is the way it is, and that's why Haiti is the way it is. I hate to say it but that's the truth, take it how you want. A person from Xamar does not decide to settle in Burtinle over Bardheere because Burtinle is any safer, he chooses Burtinle because people there don't believe in that "unuka leh" bullshit. When southies learn that you can only own what you have earned or been given with consent, they will prosper. Unfortunately, everyone south of Gaalkacyo believes it is xalal to take property by force.

That's the truth.

In all honesty, i think the world your talking about is gone. I mean who would choose to live in a village such as Bosaso compared to an international city such as Mogadishu.
I mean come on, Bosaso is dusty, hot and expensive and the food there sucks.

Mogadishu is cheap, with a cool climate, beautiful and has massive potential, with a staggering population of 1.4 million people or possibly 2 million.

And whats important to note is that Mogadishu is peaceful today and would shine in only a couple of years.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

You must be one of those arrogant people whom are narrow minded.

My point wasn't that people from North Somalia will go South Somalia. My point was that the 40% people whom are from South Somalia will go BACK to their tribal land in South Somalia once their land is peaceful. That will mean that the 50% of the Southerners businesses in North Somalia will be re-located to their own land in South Somalia.

For instance, the Marehan businesses in Xaafada Buurdhuubo in Boosaaso will re-locate to South Somalia etc. Or the Raxanweyn stores in Gaalkacyo will re-locate to South Somalia, or the Hawiye business in Hargeysa will re-locate to South Somalia. This will mean that North Somalia will lose its enjoyment of temporary population of Southerners and North Somalia will go back to its own ways as before, which is low populated barren land.

Also quit labelling South Somalia as Moryaans, because before 1991 places in South Somalia such as Xamar was the safest city in Africa, whom different races came for holidays. All Somalis are the same, so quit labelling people as vicious animals. Your a sad case wallahi.

And my point is that those people from South Somalia in Bosaso will not go back to the south. Why would they go back to places where they will be raped and killed? They didn't leave the south because of the land, they left because the people of the south are not reasonable and they are not people whom you can live peacefully amongst. In Bari there are rules - if you build a house everything in it is yours, if you buy land it is yours, if you buy a car it is yours - until a thief takes it, but under no cultural or legal terms will anyone be allowed willingly by the public to do wrong to you no matter who you are. In the south they do not understand that. Change your f-king dhaqan. This is not about politics or war, it is about social dynamics. You guys do not respect human life and you do not have the patience to go through life by fair means. That is not an opinion, it is a fact you have proven over and over again. Let me tell you this - yesterday, today, and tomorrow - no sane man in the Somali peninsula will choose to live among Cayr over Cali Salebaan. It is just how life is - some families raise bad children and those children have bad culture. I can't change that. This is not about recent politics, it is an ongoing social reality that has always existed.

In all honesty, i think the world your talking about is gone. I mean who would choose to live in a village such as Bosaso compared to an international city such as Mogadishu.
I mean come on, Bosaso is dusty, hot and expensive and the food there sucks.

Mogadishu is cheap, with a cool climate, beautiful and has massive potential, with a staggering population of 1.4 million people or possibly 2 million.

And whats important to note is that Mogadishu is peaceful today and would shine in only a couple of years.

WAS. It WAS a beautiful, cultured city. Why? Because Arab traders lived in peace and their daughters were not stolen. Because Harti businessmen and intellectuals could operate freely without losing their property or their lives. Because Raxanweyn and Jareerweyn were not enslaved and bullied because of caste.

YOUR people, whom we are discussing, changed all of that. You turned everything from Galguduud to Kenya into an unlivable, lawless hell. It is part of your nature to destroy good things.

[Shirib]

South Somalia= Has the capital city, Has the biggest population, Has fertile land, Has 3 rivers etc.

where is this 3rd river coming from?

[The_Emperior5]

South Somalia= Has the capital city, Has the biggest population, Has fertile land, Has 3 rivers etc.

where is this 3rd river coming from?

Faarmaajo is taking a pisss

[galia]

Shirb the eelaay always has to butt in and look smart

[Shirib]

Shirb the eelaay always has to butt in and look smart

try again