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But the proof that were you using for the legality of Protests, saying that the Prophets and the companions marched to the Kacbah during the Meccan period has a major flaw in its authenticity :lol: . I did some further research and found the chain of narrators to be completely rejected by the Major Muhaddiths and the narration is declared rejected............
This hadith was
reported by Abu Nu’aim in his book, al-Hillayyah. al-Haafidh ibn Hajar also
reported it in his book al-Issaba relating it to Muhammad ibn Uthman’s book of
history and as well as in al-Fath where he related it to al-Bazaar. The narrations
of this incident revolve around a person named Ishaaq ibn ‘Abdullah ibn Abi
Farwa. However, his hadith is rejected. Therefore, this incident can not be cited
as a proof.
Second, these thinkers also take as proof the gathering of the Muslims on
Sheikh Albani busts your so called proof and even gives it a chance, lets see what he has to say on the issue.


[Q]: Shaykh, the people who claim that demonstrations are lawful, use what has
been narrated in the Seerah to support their stance; i.e. When Umar bin al-
Khattab, (radiyallaahu anhu), accepted Islam - the Muslims marched in Makkah in
two rows; one row lead by Umar and the other by Hamzah, (radiyallaahu anhu).
They say this is a demonstration in which the Muslims openly disapproved of what
the Chiefs of Quraish were doing. What is your answer to this proof? The
[A]: 'My answer to this is how many times did this occur in the Islamic society?
Once? If it occurs only once would it be considered a Sunnah act which should be
followed? The Jurists stated that if a legal act of worship has been authentically
affirmed, its doer would be rewarded (yet) it is not appropriate to do it regularly
for the fear of it being thought of as a mandatory thing by people, or becoming a
part of their customs (such that they would not leave it aside)…
The Muslims never repeated this action afterwards even though they could have.
Many of the late rulers would bring about laws and rules which were against the
Shari'ah. Many people were imprisoned wrongly, probably even killed…so what is
the stance of the Muslim (during these Fitnah)? The Prophet, (sallallaahu alayhi
wa sallam), said in the authentic Hadeeth:
'obey the ruler even if he beats you and takes your money'.
The proofs used to support demonstrations, actually points to the ignorance of
those people in the Fiqh. It only occurred once… (I forgot to add something) I
remember that this has been reported in the Seerah, but I do not remember
whether it is authentic. If any of you know that this has been narrated in a
proper book of Hadeeth, let him remind me... [Allahu Akbar! Look at the
humbleness of the Shaykh, may Allah have mercy on him and admit him into
Jannah. Ameen]
Let us assume that this is authentic…It only occurred once, and if a thing only
occurs once, it does not become a Sunnah…such that we support what the Kaafirs
do, and cause the Muslims to go against the Sunnah. This is like a drop in an
ocean; it is not appropriate to use this as a proof.
I remember quite well that the Hanafi scholars, mentioned in a Fiqh

You could read the rest here.
http://calltoislam.com/pdf/Sayings%20Of ... ations.pdf

it seems you've been busted by spreading this rejected seerah narration :lol:
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Her mehr is a house. Hope you can afford it.
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Wallahi SNET is lucky I am here to expose these people, spreading mawduh, fabricrated, rejected hadiths, promoting evolution. law xawla!
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So you're telling me that this sheikh is saying that the Muslims never marched through mecca, towards the kaba when they first 'came out of hiding'? That the prophet PBUH never stood on the steps of the kabah, revealed a surah and was persecuted? That he wasn't defended by Hamza ra who converted to show his support for the religion and his nephew at this event?

What then, is an organised march of an oppressed people towards a town center where a speech is given without violence being committed by the oppressed people if not a Protest?

if you deny this ever happening, then khalas there is no compulsion in Islam.
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Horta, is Naanees xaaski_cigaal?
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Lillaahiya wrote:Horta, is Naanees xaaski_cigaal?
yep, :up: hows ottawack :lol:
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lol Does it ever change?
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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No the muslims never marched in Mecca during the oppression, it is fabricated and a lie.

The surat being revealed is during Fath Makkah which is authenticated and was during the capture of mekkah and is not related to that incident.
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grandpakhalif wrote:No the muslims never marched in Mecca during the oppression, it is fabricated and a lie.

The surat being revealed is during Fath Makkah which is authenticated and was during the capture of mekkah and is not related to that incident.

oh cool, in your version when did the muslims reveal themselves?
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What has this have to do with the topic at hand? You cited that fabrication, rejected narration as your proof for the lawfulness of demonstrations! If that proof never existed than on what authority are you claiming its halal?

It's very serious issue when you against the consensus of the scholars regarding this issue, claiming its halal when it's clearly not.
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grandpakhalif wrote:What has this have to do with the topic at hand? You cited that fabrication, rejected narration as your proof for the lawfulness of demonstrations! If that proof never existed than on what authority are you claiming its halal?

It's very serious issue when you against the consensus of the scholars regarding this issue, claiming its halal when it's clearly not.
How is this a consensus!?!?!?!?

Answer the q bro, when did the muslims reveal themselves to the qureysh markaa. hadan qaldan ahay ruunta ii bar.
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It's consensus because not even one reputable scholar disagreed.

The most well known was when Rasullulah (SAWS) he publicy called the whole Quraish when Allah revealed the ayat
"And warn your tribe [O Muhammad (Peace be upon him) ] of near kindred." [26:214]
The Messenger of Allâh (Peace be upon him) ascended Mount As-Safa and started to call: "O Bani Fahr! O Bani 'Adi (two septs of Quraish)." Many people gathered and those who couldn't, sent somebody to report to them. Abu Lahab was also present. The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: "You see, if I were to tell you that there were some horsemen in the valley planning to raid you, will you believe me?" They said: "Yes, we have never experienced any lie from you." He said: "I am a warner to you before a severe torment." Abu Lahab promptly replied: "Perish you all the day! Have you summoned us for such a thing?" The verses were immediately revealed on that occasion:

"Perish the two hands of Abi Lahab..." [111:1].

This famous call is called "Cry of urgency"
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khaliifoow,

so according to your sources, when and or how did the Muslims reveal themselves to the Quraish of Mecca
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Thats when the nabi revealed Islam as. I'm asking when the muslims revealed themselves.
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