Was it fair for Sade to unilaterally declare J/Land?

[Voltage]

Murax is right, we are very hypocritical. Why were we so against Azania?

I mean we say Ducaale is very educated, so is Ghaandi. We say Azania was declared outside of Somalia, but so was Jubbaland. We say Bu'aale was named the capital of Azania without input from others, but so was Garbahaarey declared the capital of Jubbaland without input from others.

Let's be real, we look very hypocritical. I mean I would love a Jubbaland State as envisioned right now with this organization and including the head who has impressed me, but we are not Jubbaland, we are a section of Jubbaland and if the future state is to be peaceful and prosperous and stable we have to start compromising and reaching decisions with other stakeholders particularly the Ogaden community.

My 2 cents.

[Talo alle udaa]

awalba nin caaqil ah baad aheyd

[metamorphosis]

I have tried to bring this idea across but i have been rediculed for it. the sooner they realize that the better.

[Advo]

Horta I am campaigning for Jubbaland because of familial relationship to the President and I believe his not dumb enough to exclude beelaha oo meesha oo dhan degto, with Ghandi we know he wanted to exclude beesha SADE from wikileaks, I doubt President Ducaale is foolish enough to have similiar plans. I believe Beelaha will come to an agreement insha'allah and the state will become reality.

[Murax]

I don't think its so much unfair as it is unrealistic. From Doolow to Kismaayo is 2000km and You're talking about a population well over a million. No way Marexaan can pacify such a huge area without help from others. That being said Dr Ducaale is talking about coming to Jubbaland. If and when He does come only then He really be on to something.

[The_Patriot]

I would have thought about it but my main concern at the moment is to see those that rejected Azania specifically the shekhal and jareerweyne to come up and show their ugly faces.

These days the Jareer from Shabeloyinka have the audacity to cliam land in juboyinka while they are Kunta Kinte in Hawiye lands.

Shekhal are the only mofo gypsies who never fought a day in their lives , they came and settled in the late 90's and know they shout Hawiyey Hawiyeh Juba raas and bolox.

This is why sometimes I support Marexan cos you fockers know how to put lama oyaan in place i.e is at the back of the queue not jumping the queue.



(mind my language . )

[XimanJaale]

Voltage,

Afcourse its the duty of 'Sade' to declare and spearhead this adminstration. We should always look at the reality before discussing this issue, as being honest will lead into a worthy discussion. With that said,

Jubbaland State is composed of the historic Upper Jubba and Lower Juba. In which today its composed of Gedo, Middle Jubba and Lower Jubba.

Now looking at the demography of these regions and military, economic strenght.

Gedo region know as the elephant shape region of Somalia is home to various Marehan sub-clans. Gedo which currently has 7 district; Garbaharey, Beled-Xaawo, Doolow, Luuq Ganaane, Buurdhuubo, Ceelwaaq, Baardheere. Gedo region has the largest population within the 3 regions of Jubbaland.

Middle Juba smallest region in Jubaland. Is home to various clan, such as Marehan,Ogaden, Bartire, Raxanweyne, Jareerweyne, Garre, Sheekaal. It has 3 districts: Buaale, Saakow, Jilib.

Lower Juba region in Jubbaland. Is home to various clan, such as Marehan,Ogaden, Bartire, Raxanweyne, Jareerweyne, Garre, Tuni, Bajuuni, Harti, Sheekaal, Gaaljecel, Dir. It has 4 districts: Xagar, Badaadhe, Kismaayo, Jamaame, Afmadow.

Military wise, Jubaland (3 regions). The clan with military power and elites and cannot be challenged with is truly Marehan clan.

Economic wise, the clan with the assets is truly Marehan clan.

Population wise, the largest clan in Jubbaland is truly Marehan clan, as their region has the largest population within Jubaland but also they reside the other 2 regions of Jubbaland (Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba) largely making them the biggest clan in Jubbaland.

The clan that loses the most for not having a admistration in Jubaland is the Marehan clan. As this clan has the most districts in Jubaland and most population its people need a adminstration, but also this clan other ego is the control of Somalia as a whole.

The minority clans in Jubbaland in ranking:
1.Jareerweyne
2. Raxanweyne
3. Dir
4.Tuni
5.Bajun
6.Garre

The Majority clans in Jubbaland in ranking:
1. Sade
2. Kablalax
3. Sheekaal
4. Gaaljecel

Now looking at all this statics, Its a must that Beesha Sade have awakened and ready to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland. But also without Sade not leading this adminstration it will not suceed.

For example, the Kabalax tried to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland and we all know how it ended. To the point its leaders where not allowed to step in Jubbaland and were warned.

For example, the Sheekaal tried to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland to the point they realised they only settle 1/100000 of Jubbaland and therefore their dreams shattered.

Therefore its a reality that without Sade's approval, leadership and muscle no adminstration cannot function in Jubbaland.

For instance without Marehan, Al-Shabaab wouldn't had the power to control Jubbaland. (When Marehan backstabbed Barre Hiiraale in 2007)

Wihout Marehan TFG wouldn't had captured many parts of Jubbaland, clear example is that Dhoobley was liberated by Marehan (TFG) and the Ras Kamboni later leaving Libooye joined TFG. Classical clan war erupted in Dhoobley between TFG and Ras Kamboni (Marehan VS Absame).

[metamorphosis]

Marehan talk to this ximanjale nacas. Hes blinded by unconditional loyalty to his clan. State the facts for once.

[CoolPoisons]

XimanXaar get the xaar of Ur eyes U dumb mangaab

hadaladu ku hadlayo bal firaya

dadkaas ceynka ayaa Marehan ku jiro

[XimanJaale]

XimanXaar get the xaar of Ur eyes U dumb mangaab

hadaladu ku hadlayo bal firaya

dadkaas ceynka ayaa Marehan ku jiro

Qofna ma dulmin and I never said anything bad. Balse wats ur problem?

[Garbo_Gedo]

Voltage,

Afcourse its the duty of 'Sade' to declare and spearhead this adminstration. We should always look at the reality before discussing this issue, as being honest will lead into a worthy discussion. With that said,

Jubbaland State is composed of the historic Upper Jubba and Lower Juba. In which today its composed of Gedo, Middle Jubba and Lower Jubba.

Now looking at the demography of these regions and military, economic strenght.

Gedo region know as the elephant shape region of Somalia is home to various Marehan sub-clans. Gedo which currently has 7 district; Garbaharey, Beled-Xaawo, Doolow, Luuq Ganaane, Buurdhuubo, Ceelwaaq, Baardheere. Gedo region has the largest population within the 3 regions of Jubbaland.

Middle Juba smallest region in Jubaland. Is home to various clan, such as Marehan,Ogaden, Bartire, Raxanweyne, Jareerweyne, Garre, Sheekaal. It has 3 districts: Buaale, Saakow, Jilib.

Lower Juba region in Jubbaland. Is home to various clan, such as Marehan,Ogaden, Bartire, Raxanweyne, Jareerweyne, Garre, Tuni, Bajuuni, Harti, Sheekaal, Gaaljecel, Dir. It has 4 districts: Xagar, Badaadhe, Kismaayo, Jamaame, Afmadow.

Military wise, Jubaland (3 regions). The clan with military power and elites and cannot be challenged with is truly Marehan clan.

Economic wise, the clan with the assets is truly Marehan clan.

Population wise, the largest clan in Jubbaland is truly Marehan clan, as their region has the largest population within Jubaland but also they reside the other 2 regions of Jubbaland (Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba) largely making them the biggest clan in Jubbaland.

The clan that loses the most for not having a admistration in Jubaland is the Marehan clan. As this clan has the most districts in Jubaland and most population its people need a adminstration, but also this clan other ego is the control of Somalia as a whole.

The minority clans in Jubbaland in ranking:
1.Jareerweyne
2. Raxanweyne
3. Dir
4.Tuni
5.Bajun
6.Garre

The Majority clans in Jubbaland in ranking:
1. Sade
2. Kablalax
3. Sheekaal
4. Gaaljecel

Now looking at all this statics, Its a must that Beesha Sade have awakened and ready to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland. But also without Sade not leading this adminstration it will not suceed.

For example, the Kabalax tried to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland and we all know how it ended. To the point its leaders where not allowed to step in Jubbaland and were warned.

For example, the Sheekaal tried to establish a adminstration in Jubbaland to the point they realised they only settle 1/100000 of Jubbaland and therefore their dreams shattered.

Therefore its a reality that without Sade's approval, leadership and muscle no adminstration cannot function in Jubbaland.

For instance without Marehan, Al-Shabaab wouldn't had the power to control Jubbaland. (When Marehan backstabbed Barre Hiiraale in 2007)

Wihout Marehan TFG wouldn't had captured many parts of Jubbaland, clear example is that Dhoobley was liberated by Marehan (TFG) and the Ras Kamboni later leaving Libooye joined TFG. Classical clan war erupted in Dhoobley between TFG and Ras Kamboni (Marehan VS Absame).

[Garbo_Gedo]

XimanXaar get the xaar of Ur eyes U dumb mangaab

hadaladu ku hadlayo bal firaya

dadkaas ceynka ayaa Marehan ku jiro

Qofna ma dulmin and I never said anything bad. Balse wats ur problem?

Bro keep on doing what you doing. You are 100% right as you have fresh mind/ideas and pure intentions unlike some cuqdad ridden grown up man with disable mind in here.

[Garbo_Gedo]

Murax is right, we are very hypocritical. Why were we so against Azania?

I mean we say Ducaale is very educated, so is Ghaandi. We say Azania was declared outside of Somalia, but so was Jubbaland. We say Bu'aale was named the capital of Azania without input from others, but so was Garbahaarey declared the capital of Jubbaland without input from others.

Let's be real, we look very hypocritical. I mean I would love a Jubbaland State as envisioned right now with this organization and including the head who has impressed me, but we are not Jubbaland, we are a section of Jubbaland and if the future state is to be peaceful and prosperous and stable we have to start compromising and reaching decisions with other stakeholders particularly the Ogaden community.

My 2 cents.

Why you advocating for other parties like you are their solicitor? Perhaps its on time you stopped talking for other parties and minded your own people.

You talking about being fair, who gives 2 cent about fairness. Let the strongest of the species survive.