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Religion and goverment should never ever ever ever be mixed. Keep them apart


i hope that diaspora Somalis after the transition with the help of Turkey will change our religion based constitution.

Wuxuu gaal soo qorqoray iyo wuxuu ilaahay so dejiyaya marna ma wada socon karaan. Secularism should never see the light in Somalia inshalah.

Allowing islam to be infected by politics and greedy power hungry individuals through manipulating the emotions of the masses, does not do justice to Islam or the people of the nation.

Religion shall not be under the authority of a group of men who enforce some section of islamic law for their own purposes. Political Islam in Saudi arabia is a perfect example.

Somalia is a client state dependent on aid from mostly sympathetic Western nations, so I doubt an Islamist state could arise in the present scenario.

Even if Somalia did become an "Islamic" state, it would be just in paper. Somalis are secular people.

fighter wrote:Even if Somalia did become an "Islamic" state, it would be just in paper. Somalis are secular people.

Why do you say that?

Coeus wrote:Allowing islam to be infected by politics and greedy power hungry individuals through manipulating the emotions of the masses, does not do justice to Islam or the people of the nation.

Religion shall not be under the authority of a group of men who enforce some section of islamic law for their own purposes. Political Islam in Saudi arabia is a perfect example.

If group of men can manipulate people and use religion to suit their own needs then they're equally capable of doing the same in a secullar nation. Do you think someone who wouldn't adhere to the commandments of God would adhere and strictly follow a secular constitution drafted by men?

I wish for an Islamic state but if a secular Somalia were to emerge I would not fight it.

Union

Although the constitution is not enforced, the Transitional federal goverment has subscribed Somalia under Sharia law. Now if Al shabab deciedes at some point these coming months, to give up and become a political party, they can enforce everything they have tried to enforce on somalis in 2009. But this time it would be legal.

I would also like to see that but unfortunately vast majority of Somalis are uneducated nomads who think secularism = anti-religion = apostasy, or something along those lines.

eliteSomali wrote:

Coeus wrote:Allowing islam to be infected by politics and greedy power hungry individuals through manipulating the emotions of the masses, does not do justice to Islam or the people of the nation.

Religion shall not be under the authority of a group of men who enforce some section of islamic law for their own purposes. Political Islam in Saudi arabia is a perfect example.

If group of men can manipulate people and use religion to suit their own needs then they're equally capable of doing the same in a secullar nation. Do you think someone who wouldn't adhere to the commandments of God would adhere and strictly follow a secular constitution drafted by men?

In a secular republic, there are laws that stand above any miniority and majority opinion. Laws that ensure the well being of the people.

In Islam much, except the five pillars are undefined. Thus it leaves for interpretation. All sharia based countries in the world do not even have the same rules. Whats illegal in one country, is legal in another.

grandpakhalif wrote:I wish for an Islamic state but if a secular Somalia were to emerge I would not fight it.

Interesting..

Coeus wrote:Union

Although the constitution is not enforced, the Transitional federal goverment has subscribed Somalia under Sharia law. Now if Al shabab deciedes at some point these coming months, to give up and become a political party, they can enforce everything they have tried to enforce on somalis in 2009. But this time it would be legal.

Depends on what type of shariah law we're talking about. Shariah law is often used as a buzzword for all evils, but a lot of it is sensible and decent and should be used to inspire secular law. However, if we're talking about the shariah law that puts women in an inferior position to men legally, institutes inhumane punishments for certain offenses (like adultery and theft), and tries to use the government as a tool to regulate the private activities of an individual (like what they watch, what they drink, who they sleep with, etc) then that is something that should be opposed because it is tyrannical. Religious tyranny is no better than any other type of tyranny.

fighter wrote:Even if Somalia did become an "Islamic" state, it would be just in paper. Somalis are secular people.

This statement i do agree with, it seems salafis are a miniority in Somalia. But alot of emotions and ignorance are used against those that advocate separation between the religion and the state.

Many un educated, but very religious Somalis, interpret Secularism as atheism. When in fact its two entirely different concepts.