Abtirsinta is Fake.

[dahir4]

Thats what i heard we have to look at our abtirsinta again to heck if them guys were real or not ruunti that is.

[The_Emperior5]

ofcourse they were real yaaa baas eeh ku dhalay hadanay jirin ma cirkad ka so dhacday

what a stupid question

[dahir4]

Abti i heard our people waxey ayeen dadka known as Cushitics look at it again saxib kushite our language is Hamitic so we must be related to them ruunti
check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic_languages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Kush
But lakin we did trade with the sudanese egyptians in the horn markaas look it up bro you will see mahadsanid kl.

[Thuganomics]

So which one of your fore fathers had amnesia hadaaney abtirsintaadu run ahaeyn
Where did it start going wrong,is it you who doesn't know his father is it your dad or your dads' dad

[dahir4]

Thuganomics check this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic_languages

The Cushitic languages are a branch of the Afroasiatic language family spoken in the Horn of Africa, Tanzania, Kenya, Sudan and Egypt. They are named after the Biblical character Cush, who was identified as an ancestor of the speakers of these specific languages as early as AD 947 (in Masudi's Arabic history Meadows of Gold). The most populous Cushitic language is Oromo with about 35 million speakers, followed by Somali with about 18 million speakers, and Sidamo in Ethiopia with about 2 million speakers. Other languages with more than one million speakers are Hadia (1.6 million), Kambata (1.4 million), and Afar (1.5 million).

[edit] Composition

There are eight clearly valid groups of languages which are or have been included in the Cushitic family, and there is a wide range of opinions as to how they are interrelated.

The Beja language, or North Cushitic, is sometimes placed outside Cushitic proper, though there is no evidence that the rest of Cushitic forms a valid group.

The positions of the small Dullay languages and Yaaku are uncertain. These have traditionally been assigned to an East Cushitic branch along with Highland (Sidamic) and Lowland East Cushitic. However, Richard Hayward believes East Cushitic may not be a valid node and breaks it into three well-supported families: Highlands, a diverse Lowlands family (with Afar, Somalic, and Oromic branches), and Dullay (he apparently leaves Yaaku unclassified), which he believes should be considered separately when attempting to work out the internal relationships of Cushitic.

Hetzron (1980:70ff) and Ehret (1995) have suggested that the Rift languages (South Cushitic) are a part of Lowland East Cushitic.[citation needed]

Cushitic was traditionally seen as also including the Omotic languages, then called West Cushitic. However, this view has largely been abandoned, primarily due to the work of Harold C. Fleming (1974) and M. Lionel Bender (1975). These scholars consider Omotic to be an independent branch of Afroasiatic. While some scholars including Zaborski (1986) and Lamberti (1991) have kept the issue alive and suggested that Omotic can still be classified as part of Cushitic, Rolf Theil (2006), in keeping with the noted Chadicist Paul Newman, excludes Omotic from Afroasiatic altogether.[

[Thuganomics]

^
That's about languages though,of course our languages are cushtic
I though you was talking about abtirsi.There are people I know in my city who's great grandfather was Somali.But you would never know that from their language and culture.For all intense and purposes they're Welsh.And that's just two generations .That doesn't negate the fact their great grand father was Somali though does it

[Alphanumeric]

Why can't they both be true?

Either way, I have my doubts about it.

[Thuganomics]

Why can't they both be true? .

That's what I'm saying

[Alphanumeric]

They can both be true, but I also think neither is, entirely.

[Lamagoodle]

It is fake. It is like St Clause.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Of course it's fake. It's just a huge centuries-old practical joke my "fake" grandfathers are playing on me. I'm really descended from a chicken.

[Lamagoodle]

Of course it's fake. It's just a huge centuries-old practical joke my "fake" grandfathers are playing on me. I'm really descended from a chicken.

It is social construction. I did an experiment a few years ago; I asked two true cousins to tell them their abtirsino; one ended ended up in arab-sounding names after 17 while the other ended up with classic somali names

[Alphanumeric]

Everyone says whatever they wanna say

[Thuganomics]

Of course it's fake. It's just a huge centuries-old practical joke my "fake" grandfathers are playing on me. I'm really descended from a chicken.

It is social construction. I did an experiment a few years ago; I asked two true cousins to tell them their abtirsino; one ended ended up in arab-sounding names after 17 while the other ended up with classic somali names

So? their fore fathers chose different names for their kids,But at the point they joined the names would be in synch,whether they're Arabic or Somali

[NoAngst.]

Abtiris is by definition fake since most claim to count back to 30 or so generations. In a society like Somalis that never kept records, these oral claims are highly unreliable.

All one needs to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that Abtiris is a load of crap is show only ONE instance where Abtiris is wrong. You can do that by analyzing DNA of two men who claim distinct paternal ancestory. Say one man claims Arab ancestory (Darood, Isaaq) and another claims African/Cushitic ancestory (Dir, Hawiye, Raxanweyn). If the DNA results of these supposedly paternally distinct men shows anything other than African and Arab paternal ancestory, then the whole Abtiris edifice collapses under its own weight.