in westernised/secular somalia will we kill our babies too?

[ModerateMuslim]

majority of you, overwhelmingly, support imitating the west/kuffar. but where does this imitation stop? if we imitate them in kufr and shirk, why not in ethics too?

for example, should, in a secular somalia, unborn babies be killed? i'm sure most of you, seeing as how you're morally depraved, would say yes. but would it also be the case when it comes to newborn babies? before you even think about it, you should know, that according to those whom you foremost want to imitate - western Intelligentsia - it should be. they - from western higher learning institutions, such as stanford and oxford - argue that there's no real difference between an unborn baby and newborn baby, as they both lack self-sufficiency (sound argument, though against killing unborn babies).

Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... qus_thread

[union]

Yes, abortion should be legal in Somalia. You would make an excellent poster child for that movement.

[Alphanumeric]

@ Ethics experts. What!? How is that even possible?

[ModerateMuslim]

i'm sure most of you, seeing as how you're morally depraved, would say yes

sister union has proved me right. but would you - morally depraved snetters - also support killing newborn babies?

[Coeus]

When Somalia got its indipendence in 1960, the whole population was little over 1 million people. In the 70´s we were 3 million. In 1995 it was estimated 6 million.

And now we might be 15 million. The precious resources in Somalia like water and arable land cannot sustain a Somali population above 10 million. Plus the more you have unsustainable population growth, the more it will be difficult as a nation to lift itself out of poverty.

It is simply not logical and sustainable to have a woman give birth to 4-7 children in Somalia.

I support population controll and i hope we can spread condoms and birth pills to every youth in Somalia. Aswell as teach the women the importance of educaion and being able to provide for yourself without a husband. Instead of being given away by parents.

Secular Somalia

[DR-YALAXOOW]

in islam abortion is permissible somethimes according islamic scholars.

Before four months of gestation

Seyed al-Sabiq, author of Fiqh al-Sunnah, has summarized the views of the classical jurists in this regard in the following words: "Abortion is not allowed after four months have passed since conception because at that time it is akin to taking a life, an act that entails penalty in this world and in the Hereafter. As regards the matter of abortion before this period elapses, it is considered allowed if necessary. However, in the absence of a reasonable excuse it is detestable. The author of ‘Subul-ul-Maram’ writes: ‘A woman’s treatment for aborting a pregnancy before the spirit has been blown into it is a matter upon which scholars differed on account of difference of opinion on the matter of ‘Azal (i.e. measures to hinder conception). Those who allow ‘Azal consider abortion as allowable and vice versa.’ The same ruling should be applicable for women deciding on sterilization. Imam Ghazzali opines: ‘Induced abortion is a sin after conception’. He further says: ‘The sin incurred thus can be of degrees. When the sperm enters the ovaries, mixes with the ovum and acquires potential of life, its removal would be a sin. Aborting it after it grows into a germ or a leech would be a graver sin and the graveness of the sin increases very much if one does so after the stage when the spirit is blown into the fetus and it acquires human form and faculties

this means abortion islam is allowed before 4 months its like almost secular sweden whichs 4.5 months is not allowed abortion.

[mcali]

When Somalia got its indipendence in 1960, the whole population was little over 1 million people. In the 70´s we were 3 million. In 1995 it was estimated 6 million.

And now we might be 15 million. The precious resources in Somalia like water and arable land cannot sustain a Somali population above 10 million. Plus the more you have unsustainable population growth, the more it will be difficult as a nation to lift itself out of poverty.

It is simply not logical and sustainable to have a woman give birth to 4-7 children in Somalia.

I support population controll and i hope we can spread condoms and birth pills to every youth in Somalia. Aswell as teach the women the importance of educaion and being able to provide for yourself without a husband. Instead of being given away by parents.

Secular Somalia

It wont ever happen. By the way say hi to abu lahab in hell for me.

[Alphanumeric]

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

[union]

When Somalia got its indipendence in 1960, the whole population was little over 1 million people. In the 70´s we were 3 million. In 1995 it was estimated 6 million.

And now we might be 15 million. The precious resources in Somalia like water and arable land cannot sustain a Somali population above 10 million. Plus the more you have unsustainable population growth, the more it will be difficult as a nation to lift itself out of poverty.

It is simply not logical and sustainable to have a woman give birth to 4-7 children in Somalia.

I support population controll and i hope we can spread condoms and birth pills to every youth in Somalia. Aswell as teach the women the importance of educaion and being able to provide for yourself without a husband. Instead of being given away by parents.

Secular Somalia

It wont ever happen. By the way say hi to abu lahab in hell for me.

Why do you want to say hi to abu lahab?

[Coeus]

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

Overpopulation is a myth. Scandinavian countries are doomed. Somalia is better of with 10 children in east household



Absense of logic usually does that to people

[mcali]

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

The entire worlds population could live sustainable lives in texas.
overpopulation is not ever going to be a problem in the world as long as antibiotic resistant diseases thrive on earth.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

In Islam, the fetus is believed to become a living soul after four months of gestation.

Azizah Y. al-Hibri notes that "the majority of Muslim scholars permit abortion before 4 months,

[Alphanumeric]

I'm going to buy some land in Hong Kong once all the old folks die

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

Overpopulation is a myth. Scandinavian countries are doomed. Somalia is better of with 10 children in east household



Absense of logic usually does that to people

There is a wide range of choices between poor family planning and near-psychopathic population control.

[Coeus]

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

The entire worlds population could live sustainable lives in texas.
overpopulation is not ever going to be a problem in the world as long as antibiotic resistant diseases thrive on earth.

Overpopulation = less resources for a country. 2+2= 4 idiot

[union]

Scandinavian countries and Japan are forever screwed because they haven't had enough kids and still refuse to do so. Japan will be up for grabs in 25~ years.

Overpopulation is a myth.

Overpopulation is a myth. Scandinavian countries are doomed. Somalia is better of with 10 children in east household



Absense of logic usually does that to people

lol Coesus


Abortion should be legal in Somalia based on the principle.
But I don't think Somalia actually needs family planning. Sure, families have loads of kids, but that's because they want to protect against high infant mortality and because it's economically beneficial to have a lot of kids in poor countries like Somalia.