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A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar Rashi
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:36 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:21 pm
by Alphanumeric
Compelling. My right ear hurts now.
But, if Rasulullaah was given knowledge of all things between the heavens and the earth, why did he not know the place of birth of Isa (as)?
Was there any accepted challenge by the Salafitalk folks he mentioned, or Haddaad, or any of the others?
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:53 pm
by SultanOrder
Alphanumeric wrote:Compelling. My right ear hurts now.
But, if Rasulullaah was given knowledge of all things between the heavens and the earth, why did he not know the place of birth of Isa (as)?
Was there any accepted challenge by the Salafitalk folks he mentioned, or Haddaad, or any of the others?
Do you not get his point?

Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:22 pm
by Alphanumeric
Was there something I misheard/misunderstood?
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:24 pm
by ModerateMuslim
Alphanumeric wrote:
But, if Rasulullaah was given knowledge of all things between the heavens and the earth, why did he not know the place of birth of Isa (as)?
Was there any accepted challenge by the Salafitalk folks he mentioned, or Haddaad, or any of the others?
i can't bother to watch this video but talafis don't need to defend themselves, as this is not part of their aqeedah. rather this part of sufi aqeedah.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:25 pm
by Alphanumeric
^What? Are you saying I'm "talafi" or sufi"?
Ah, nice edit.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:28 pm
by ModerateMuslim
sorry, i mistook you for abuukarsubeer.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:37 pm
by SultanOrder
Alphanumeric wrote:Was there something I misheard/misunderstood?

Yeah you did
He was attacking the notion that kuli (everything), is meant in the absolute sense, like litterly everything, and so when the salafi's quote the hadith "every(kuli) innovation leads to hell-fire", Kuli is not in the absolute sense but in the most, or almost everything. He backs up his argument by using the hadith where the prophet says "Everything (kuli) was made known to me", because in that hadith the salafi's don't say that the rasul scw meant it in the absolute sense, which is haram to believe since only Allah scw knows everything, so he is saying why one rule for one hadith and not the same application for another. Then he continues his argument by disproving that all or every innovation leads to hell-fire, by citing references from Scholars like Imam shafi, and others who categorized innovations (bid'a) into categories of good and bad.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:50 pm
by Alphanumeric
Yes, I understood that. I guess I assumed his stance on the hadeeth in the tafseer of as-Saad.
But with regards the "fatwa"? Smh. It's becoming increasingly difficult to follow them in any way.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:57 pm
by SultanOrder
Alphanumeric wrote:Yes, I understood that. I guess I assumed his stance on the hadeeth in the tafseer of as-Saad.
But with regards the "fatwa"? Smh. It's becoming increasingly difficult to follow them in any way.
What part is the tafseer of as-Saad?
And when you say increasingly difficult to follow them in any way, do you mean the salafi's?
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:00 pm
by Alphanumeric
Perfect_Order wrote:Alphanumeric wrote:Yes, I understood that. I guess I assumed his stance on the hadeeth in the tafseer of as-Saad.
But with regards the "fatwa"? Smh. It's becoming increasingly difficult to follow them in any way.
What part is the tafseer of as-Saad?
And when you say increasingly difficult to follow them in any way, do you mean the salafi's?
5:45 onward.
I wouldn't say "Salafis" but specifically Najdis. Even within KSA there is differences, but it's obvious a particular group are favoured.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:06 pm
by SultanOrder
Have you been to the KSA?
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:09 pm
by Alphanumeric
No.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:20 am
by fisabililah
Even though this man is scum, he is educated. I dont think the Salafitalk, spubs have the Arabic let alone knowledge to debate him. Its mostly tacbaan Somali,Algerian and paki kids that follow them.
Re: A Direct Challenge to the deviant najdi's-Shaykh Asrar R
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:24 am
by ZubeirAwal
fisabililah wrote:Even though this man is scum, he is educated. I dont think the Salafitalk, spubs have the Arabic let alone knowledge to debate him. Its mostly tacbaan Somali,Algerian and paki kids that follow them.
I refuse to follow the 3ulema who call themselves Salafi in todays world, who were implaced into power in jaziiratul 3arab by ahlul kitab, who were protected by ahlul kitab, going against the word of allah and commiting kufr, disobeying the commands of Allah
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
Btw are you a girl (honest question)?
your name sounds feminine.