Old Banadir State Vs New Banadir State

[SOM1960]

Funny Debate

[greenday]

Cunug hada dhalan iyo cunug caloosha kujuro labeey kalatahay I think Abgaal should have gone to the gogolka loo fidshe


One thing i didnt when he says Banadir state does he mean just Banadir? because now we know one gobol states is not possible.


Wax iyo wadi

the two Banadir states

and Xamarweyne state should all be in one room and sort this out before its sorted out for them

[Avicenna]

Epic debate.

"300 Somalis were used to break the backs of the Japanese in Bermuda...."
"There's no such thing as Reer Banaadiri people....."
"The 6 Banaadiri members of the SYL were isku dirayaal and criminals...."
"Abgaal are the only Banaadir natives...."

[NoAngst.]

Epic debate.

"300 Somalis were used to break the backs of the Japanese in Bermuda...."

Walaahi, he's a true Somalia full of bluster, bravado and bragging.

But he is right on reer xamar thing - it is a contrived term meaning Arab setllers.

[Avicenna]

I expected his opponent to pick up his chair and smash it on the old man's head a few times.

Not sure how he managed to keep a serious face as he denied the existence of the Reer Banaadiri people & their noted contributions to Xamar, specially their resistance to colonialism. He sounded like the pro-Italian lackeys who used to take it up the rear during the struggle. No point in bravado if you're going to end up sounding like a delusional lackey. It's sometimes better to remain silent about such matters.

[Adali]

the bit about Saciid Barqash was very funny, kulaha he was a run away criminal from Zanzibar who came to Abgaal land.

[RovingMadness]

Amazing debate. The doctor raised a lot of great points and presented historical picture of Mogadishu/Banadir that is much closer to the reality on close scrutiny.

[SOM1960]

Epic debate.

"300 Somalis were used to break the backs of the Japanese in Bermuda...."
"There's no such thing as Reer Banaadiri people....."
"The 6 Banaadiri members of the SYL were isku dirayaal and criminals...."
"Abgaal are the only Banaadir natives...."

That Dr is dilusional, the Banadir president sounded like a maskiin and reasonable guy


The Dr: We kicked out Ajuraan by force
Banadir guy: If you brag about that you are a criminal and should go to court.

[Lamagoodle]

There is nothing funny about this debate; on the one hand, there is a bigot with the title of Dr. whose views are not shared by anyone except perhaps a few online fadhi-ku-dirirs. His knowledge of history is rudimental he scored own goals but falsifying history and worst of all he committed blasphemy when he said that SYL heroes were nothing but a bunch of criminals. On the other hand, there is a guy who couldn’t deliver real punches to Dr. Moryaan when he was presented by opportunities. Instead of undressing Dr. Bililiqo he became entangled in defending the survival of his people. Walaahi, I was sent that video and I have never felt this pessimistic about the future of Banaadir. If Dr. Moryaan’s view is the conventional wisdom that will govern the future of Banaadir, expect a renewal of the quadric situation of our beloved city.

In conclusion, Benaadir deserves a better person to represent it than a bigot who has ashamed his people.

[greenday]

Lamagoodle did the DR. not say everyone needs to be called to one table so they can make decisions togethe?r did he not say lets not be hasty? and the other guy did well and was frank to the Abgaals about what they expect of them, now its upto them to step up treat these people like the brothers they are. Both men agree that they share land and as the guy stated they are closes to each other marka how did he shame his people?
Its clear from this that both parties want a Banadir state and if they work out their differences and make a decision to create the state, it should be respected

As for SYL they are national heroes and nothing anyone says will change that

[Voltage]

I must watch this video when I have time. The comments bring the lulz.

[RovingMadness]

There is nothing funny about this debate; on the one hand, there is a bigot with the title of Dr. whose views are not shared by anyone except perhaps a few online fadhi-ku-dirirs. His knowledge of history is rudimental he scored own goals but falsifying history and worst of all he committed blasphemy when he said that SYL heroes were nothing but a bunch of criminals. On the other hand, there is a guy who couldn’t deliver real punches to Dr. Moryaan when he was presented by opportunities. Instead of undressing Dr. Bililiqo he became entangled in defending the survival of his people. Walaahi, I was sent that video and I have never felt this pessimistic about the future of Banaadir. If Dr. Moryaan’s view is the conventional wisdom that will govern the future of Banaadir, expect a renewal of the quadric situation of our beloved city.

In conclusion, Benaadir deserves a better person to represent it than a bigot who has ashamed his people.

Under what qualifications are you making this statement? The Dr is quite right in his arguments. The history of Mogadishu is quite extensively written & the random temper tantrums of some folks is not going to change anything.
Reer Xamar have equal claim to Banadir & whatever solution is reached has to be both judicious & acceptable to them. That's however not saying someone that migrated to someone's region should have more say than the actual owners. It's a weird & fantastic argument to make & it's ironic that even the Banadiri guy accepts that he's not the sole owner of Mogadishu yet others driven by clan sentiments who do not even hail from the region are all up in arms. Phony outrages are quite pathetic 

[Lamagoodle]

Roving,
He was wrong in every aspect. What he said is Marfish discourse and has no support in somali history. In addition, Banaadir is above all other regions; it does not deserve qabiil(marfish) talk. It needs discussions on how to rejuvinate and uphold it is position. He is not a doctor and does not represent the views of the people of Banaadir.

Lending support to this kind of lunatic is quite unbecoming for true citizens of Banaadir (the cosmopolitan city).

[kadarre]

Well lets not lie here the so called ''Cads Cads'' did not come before Abgaal. As the Dr stated the Ajuraan were fought by Mudulood and Murusade who have inhabited the region for a long long time. and As the Sayid said there are no better neighbours than Abgaal.

Xamar Unuka leh maamulka. if Darood can claim ownership in Kismayo while the minorities are ignored then I as Mudulood have also a right to claim ownership of Xamar. Dont i deserve the spoils of War? First against the Ajuraan and then against the Marxist--->Capitalist flip flopper.

Xamar unuka leh!!

[RovingMadness]

Roving,
He was wrong in every aspect. What he said is Marfish discourse and has no support in somali history. In addition, Banaadir is above all other regions; it does not deserve qabiil(marfish) talk. It needs discussions on how to rejuvinate and uphold it is position. He is not a doctor and does not represent the views of the people of Banaadir.

Lending support to this kind of lunatic is quite unbecoming for true citizens of Banaadir (the cosmopolitan city).

Lol

It's marfish discourse to you but it's quite extensively documented that 1) Mudulood defeated the Ajuuraan & gained leadership of Mogadishu, 2) it's extensively documented that Mudulood were the leadership of the city when the famous Arab explorer Ibn Batuta visited the city in the 13th Century, 3) it's quite documented that it's Mudulood Yacquub Dynasty was in full control of Mogadishu from the fall of the Ajuuraan Dynasty till the advent of the colonial powers & it's 4) quite extensively documented that it was Mudulood who the colonialists consulted Mogadishu about not to mention who also inhabit the surrounding areas.

The Country of the Hawiyah Somal.—It will^be most convenient for future reference if we arrange Mr. Wakefield's information according to the geographical districts with which it deals. The country of the Hawiyah,.. which extends from Mokhdesho along the coast as far as Hopia , has hitherto been most inadequately delineated on our maps. Mr. Wakefield is the first to supply materials for indicating some of its more prominent features. It is to all appearance a country of white sands, producing scanty pasture, and affording only in a few localities a soil sufficiently rich for agricultural purposes, or for the growth of timber. Game is absent; lions or leopards are never seen ; and even the hyena is very scarce. The principal tribes are the Abgal (including the royal clan of Al Yakub, the Wa £zk, the Al Erli or " pot-bellies," the Arti (Herti), the Yusuf and the Galmaha, in the southwest ; the Moro Sathe in the centre, and the Ahr Githirr (Habr Gader) in the northeast. Hopia lies within the country of these latter. It is merely a small port, near which good water and timber are found. Amber is sometimes thrown up there on the coast. Sarur, a locality in the interior, appears to be one of the more favoured spots, and the Abgal, who live there in small villages, cultivate millet, kunde, beans, water-melons, and cotton, and keep camels, cattle, sheep and goats, but neither horses nor asses. The home-grown cotton is spun by them, and woven into coarse tobas for the men, the women contenting themselves with goatskins. There are native smiths, but they are capable only of doing repairs. Tobacco, agricultural implements, and the calico in which the women wrap the head, are imported from Mokhdesho. These articles are very expensive, for a camel is given for nine or ten yards of tobacco, and a goat for a yard of blue cotton stuff. Slavery is said to be unknown among this tribe.

The Moro Sathe, in the centre of the country, are the Murrusade of Guillain and the Emor Zaidi of old authors. They cultivate the same products as their neighbours. They likewise keep no horses. The Abgal, finally, are the tribe with whom Europeans come into contact at Mokhdesho.

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