Reer Gadiid....

[ZubeirAwal]

The Mysteries need to be solved here, Reer Gadiid of Habar Awal (Abdulraxmaan Isxaaq) and the Mareexan Reer Gadiid have the same name but are far apart?
Im Reer Gadiid to say first.. but one thing that is obvious is, this name thing occured during the battles of Mujahid Ahmad gurey, and we all know the first camp of Somalis to join his jihad were no other then the Habar Magaadle whom Habar Awal (Reer Gadiid) is from, so if the Mareexan mujahids came later on to join the jihad, how did they adopt the name?, ANSWER, a group of Reer Gadiids travelled back down with the Mareexan and hence they were called Reer Gadiids but were later on adopted in the Darood family.

[Rooble90]

reer gadiid is a subclan of the "wagardhac clan" A.K.A Mohammed Amaanreer ...


but i just think that they have the same name, thats all ...

Habar awal also have reer ahmed, reer dalal ... we are all somalis and we share the same names .. btw marehan and isaaq used to be nieghbors ...

[Eaglehawk]

I already made a conection between reer nuur guudibirsi, reer mataan cidagale and now cez who shows up habar awal reer gadid, I already said before that wholoe region has marexaan backgroun I already made a connection between reer nuur guudibirsi, reer mataan cidagale and now cez who shows up habar awal reer gadid, I already said it before that this whole region has marexaan background
viewtopic.php?f=245&t=298129&start=15

Ahmed Guray was struck in his ascension to Sultant Abu Bakr al Hachem supported by the pastoralist clans of Somali Marehans, whose faction is now Haber Magadleh dorsal spine

That whole region has marexaan backgournd
Do know reer mataan cidagale and reer nuur wa iksu bah
Do know reer garaad(under the cidagale they are called reer mataan) marexaan and ina nuur wa isku bah

or it can be the other way around this what i heard i heard the reer mataan of the ciidangalle share the same mother with the reer nuur on their mother said bay ka walalo yihin
ma maqashay qiisadaas

I didn't know Ciidagale's reer abti were Gadabursi - Reer Nuur, Khalid why did you said before they reer abti were Arap

Reer Nuur abti uma aha ciidagale mana dhici karto Reer Nuur count 6 from samaroon - around 500 years ago while ciidagale are main branch of isxaaq maybe 700 years ago. so it is quite impossible for reer nuur being ciidagale abti

waxa wada dhashay reer nuur(nuur yonis) adan yonis iyo jilib ka mid ah ciidagalaha oo ah reerka lo yidhaa mataanka cas waxa dhashay islaan Gurgure ah waxa berigii hore la odhan jiray bah gurgure imika dadkii markay bateen nin weliba magaciisa ayu gooni ula qaatay. halka Jibril Yonis iyo tiny Cali Yonis ay isku bah ka yihiin.
waxa kale oo jira reero kale oo ciidagale ah waxa dhashay islanta reer nuurka dhashay walasheed marka reer nuurka kuwaa waa habro wadaag.

All these 4 clans are from harar region
sadeboi

I was communicating with a Reer-Garaad individual and he informed that in Gedo the Ina-Nuur (Son of "Amiir" Nuur) sub-clan and the Reer Nasir (Nasir-Axmed-Garad Ibrahim) (other subc-clans of Axmed-Garaad do not live in Gedo but in Harari and so forth) share the qaaran and mag (blood-money and collecting the wealth for clan use)
BEAUSE WAA ISKU HOOYO.

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=224066

cidagale, reer nuur meeting
London ( Dillapress.com) Waxa shir balaaran isugu yimid xubno ka mid ah Odayaasha Aqoonyahanka Culuma’udiinka Waxgarad Dhalinyaro iyo dumar ka soo jeeda Beelaha walaalaha ah ee R/Nuur iyo Ciidagale ee ku nool UK.

Shirkaas oo ay martiqaadka fidiyeen beesha ciidagale kana dhacay Galbeedka magaalada London 19kii December 2009, waxa ka soo qayb qalay dad aad u tira badan oo ilaa 100 qof gaaraya . Kulankan oo uu ka horeeyey shir hore oo beesha reer nuur ay martiqaadka fidiyeen.

Shirkan oo muhiimadiisu la xidhiidhay is xog wareysi iyo sidii bulshada labada beelood ay isugu soo dhawaan lahaayeen una dardargalin lahaayeen xidhiidh kooda soo jireenka ah, una ahaan lahaayeen laba beelood oo bidix iyo midiga danahoodana meel uga soo wada jeeda ayaa waxaa ka soo baxay go’aamo ay ka mid yihiin.
1.wax is tar iyo taakulayn joogta ah in ay yeeshaan labada beelood.
2.in la xoojiyo lagana shaqeeyo horumarinta labada beelood siiba arrimaha bulshada sida schoolada caafimaadka iwm.
3.In dhan looga soo wada jeesto dhibaato kasta oo ku timaada mid ka mid ah labada beelood.
4.In laga shaqeeyo shirweyne ka dhaca guddaha oo ay yeeshaan labada beelood.
5.In guddiga farsamo ee la sameeyey ay ka shaqeeyaan gaarsiinta iyo wacyi galinta bulshada meekasta oo joogaan.

BAAQ
Waxa kale oo shirkaasi baaq u jeedinayaa bulshada labada beelood meelkasta oo ay joogaan in ay gacmaha isqabsadaan sidoo kale waxan ugu baaqaynaa Odayaasha Dhaqanka ,Cuqaasha waxgaradka iyo Guurtida labada beelood ee guddaha ay qabtaan shir weyne deg deg ah halkaana laga anba qaado.
Waxana la isku afgartay iskaashi iyo wada tashi joogta ah in ay yeeshaan labada beelood, Guud ahaanba kulankaasi ayaa ku bilaabmay jawi aad u heersareeyay iyo farxad kuna dhamaaday jawi degan iyo is afgarad,kaasi oo lagu dhisay guddiyo labada beelood ah kana shaqayn doona danaha iyo horumarinta xiriirka labada beelood .

if you want to understand why these 4 clans share a blood its because of this

Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Ahmad Gragn’s firebrand widow, Bati del Wambara, and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city

remember this video voltage
0:36 imam ahmed ibrahim mataan<------

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[Eaglehawk]

dharbaxo jin you ka aha habar wal?

[ZubeirAwal]

reer gadiid is a subclan of the "wagardhac clan" A.K.A Mohammed Amaanreer ...


but i just think that they have the same name, thats all ...

Habar awal also have reer ahmed, reer dalal ... we are all somalis and we share the same names .. btw marehan and isaaq used to be nieghbors ...

Do you know the tree of Wagardhac to Sheikh Darod? , by varing which one lived earlier determines which clan did the name belong to originally.



Gadiid
Yoonis
Nuux
Ismaacil
Jibriil
Xuseen
Abokor
Isxaaq
Sacad
Muuse
Subeer
C/Rahman (Awal)
Sheikh Isxaaq

This is how you calculate how many years.

Gadiid counts 12 generations to Sheikh Isxaaq.

1 generation = 30 years average

12 x 30 = 360

Shaykh isxaaq died in 727 Hijra Maydh,recorded in Manuscripts in Yemen and Damascus.
1327 :

1327 + 360 = 1687 (APPROX)

So Gadiid lived in 1687 (APPROX)

Which is the 15th century.

[Adali]

first of all welcome back brother, second, we do not adopt clans, unknown clans and confederations are two things we look down upon. However we do leave behind a trail of lost clans, specially in areas we once dominated but lost to other groups(Xabashi)(Oromo) so if anything your Gadiid is one of those forgotten/left behind tribes.
Mareexaan Gadiid
1.Gadīd
2.Dhuḥul
3.Higle
4.Mahad
5.Libān
6.Abdikarīm
7.Aḥmed
8.Maḥamūd (Aḥmed)
9.Gulayd (Kurayd)
10.Maḥamed (Wagerdhaʿ)
11.Amānrayr
12.Isāq
Galshiredle
Hodenbari
Bālyiri
Awsame
Maḥamed (Marayḥān)
Aḥmed (Sade)
Abdiraḥmān (Dārōd)
Ismaʿīl
Jaberti

I looked at your abtirsi between Gadiid and Isaaq, if you look there are several names that have been mentioned which are part of Darood lineage, such as "Abdirahman" "Ismail" & "Ahmed" renaming is typical tradition, your probably just lost Daroods, or Beesha disowned you for some reason, I have no idea.

[Adali]

Mareexaan Rer Dalal were born to an Ogaden mother of the Rer Dalal subclan in Ogaden, there is no confusion as to where the name came from, clearly Ugaas Diini named all of the his Bah Ogaden children & grandchildren after prominent related Ogaden subclans such as Rer Dalal, Rer Xirsi, Rer Warfa etc. The reason why he did this and also the reason why he married that particular woman was because she saved him from an ambush by reveling the plans to him before they could take effect.

I'm not sure as to how the Isaaq got the name but Mareexaan Rer Dalal got the Dalal name from Ogaden Rer Dalal, but we are completely different subclans one being Rer Abti to the other..

[abdirisak22]

The Mysteries need to be solved here, Reer Gadiid of Habar Awal (Abdulraxmaan Isxaaq) and the Mareexan Reer Gadiid have the same name but are far apart?
Im Reer Gadiid to say first.. but one thing that is obvious is, this name thing occured during the battles of Mujahid Ahmad gurey, and we all know the first camp of Somalis to join his jihad were no other then the Habar Magaadle whom Habar Awal (Reer Gadiid) is from, so if the Mareexan mujahids came later on to join the jihad, how did they adopt the name?, ANSWER, a group of Reer Gadiids travelled back down with the Mareexan and hence they were called Reer Gadiids but were later on adopted in the Darood family.

Nice try, there is no mention of Habarmagaadle in Fatuux but there is a Habar Maqdi which is an Amharic name means "HOLLY Mother". And if you read the Somali translation of Fatuh the writers agreed the two names had no relation at all.

But my awoowe used to say more than half of Somalis used to be Marehan some time in the past and Isaaqs were marehan sub clan who refused to join the hundreds years of Jihad with Habasha at least the Garhajis Isaaqs i insisted.

BTW both people are Somalis and moslems no need for their abtirsiinyo cz they are already in a same family.

[Voltage]

According to this French source, Habar Magaado was a Marehan subclan

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

[ZubeirAwal]

Voltage that french brother was obviously stupid and inferior when it comes to tribes, their are arabic manuscripts dicipting that when Shaykh Isxaaq and his sons in Maydh here still young he advised them to move westwards when they grow older, among them was Abdulrahman (Awal), and Garhajis, Garhajis (HY) are not in any way related to Marehans.



ADALI:

CALCULATE MA BROTHER.

Look, A generation is 20 years. In my other post above i was incorrect, the average for a generation is 20 years because especially in Somali/Arab customs they marry when they are young.

Shaykh Isxaaq died in 727 HIJRA (1327)

NOTE: THIS WAS WRITTEN BY AN ARAB , and not a Somali.

Translated:

Classroom left Mr. Ahmed bin Mohammed Al-Hussein, the father of Isaaq with his children who are five-Nasser, Tahir, Sufyan, Muhammad, Isaaq.(Sheikh Isxaaq's brothers)

Nasser al-Din is a solution in the Mount Alillatin attributed to him and Gentlemen Mansourieh
Mr. Tahir stallion in Mjuan attributed to him and Gentlemen Al antiseptic
Mr. Sufyan did not follow Matt Klela Aldirih for
Mr. Mohamed in Alemnatin senior stallion has the following.

Sheikh Isaac travels is as follows: - to Saba Yemen Qaúmn was published when the religion of God among the people of Saba Wife king of his sister are the tar and bore him two sons.

1 - shields and gentlemen attributed to him the shields
2 - Sharif and Gentlemen attributed to him every honor in distress

Jawf, Yemen: and the woman he married a girl his uncle, and she bore him a son, Tahir Mansoor and his name attributed to him the gentlemen Mansour.

- After the trip this topic in Yemen Mr. Isaac went to the country of Abyssinia to Harar did not give birth there and then returned and settled in the north of Somalia and all the trips for the purpose of the call in Somalia and married children are begotten

Ahmed (Toll Djalo)
Moses (Heber Djalo)
Ibrahim
Mohammad
Ayoub
Abdel-Rahman (Heber first )
Ismail ( Egrahges )> Heber Aidacale Younis and
Ali (Arabs)
and their shields and Sharif brothers and Mansour.

SOURCES:


Moved from manuscript Agharbanb Mr. Sharif Muhammad ibn Ahmad Agharbana This manuscript sealed by the captains supervision and supervision of Yemen and in front of Imam Yahya Hamid al-Din in 1330 (Sheekh Isxaaq died 2-3 years before the publication of this Manuscript.
masterpiece of time the mosque Almnthom of the history and science of Muhammad bin Hasan al-Basri (The man who followed Sheikh Isxaaq through his travels and recorded his life).
masterpiece of longing in rates Alashakin Abdul Rahman Bin Ali .
clique longing in rates of pesticide-Sharif Isaac Alnderi Albrawi. .

http://www.ashraaf.biz/vb/showthread.php?t=3312

So by now you should know that Abdulrahman Al Awal was Sheikh Isxaaq's full blooded Son.

I don't have any knowledge of Sheikh Darood and what year he died, but from what you posted i'll calcute through generations.

If Gadiid (Marehan one) counts 18 names to Darod.

18 x 20 ( generations) = 360

Now according to Wikipedia it says that Darood

According to such early Islamic books and Somali tradition, Muhammad ibn Aqil's descendant Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti (Darod) fled his homeland in the Arabian Peninsula after an argument with his uncle.[1] During the 10th or 11th century CE,[3] he is believed to have then settled in northern Somalia just across the Red Sea and married the daughter of the Dir chief, which is said to have given rise to the Darod clan family.[1]

If we calcute through the 11th century it will be
1001 + 360= 1361
or 1100+ 360= 1460

And if we count through the 10th century it will be :

901+ 360 = 1261

All of these years (1361, 1460, 1261) are completly before the life time of Ahmad Gurey, whilst if we calculate the Gadiidi's of Habar Awal (Abdulrahman Isxaaq)


12 ( Gadiid counts 12 fathers to Sheikh Isxaaq) x 20 ( AVERAGE YEAR OF A GENERATION)

12 X 20 = 240

Sheikh Isxaaq died in 727 HIJRA which is 1327 CE

So we have to add 240 to 1327 which will approximatly calculate the century Gadiid (Habar Awal) lived in.

1327 + 240 = 1567 This is not the exact year because ofcourse it is an close estimate, I don't know how long did Gadiid's fathers lived, but the average of a generation is 20 years.

Ahmad Gurey was born in 1507.

Which means the Gadiidi's of Habar Awal came into existance during the era of Ahmad gurey, while the supposed Gadiidi's of Sheikh Darood came into existance in the 11th/10th/9th/12th century/s ?

This can be solved even more deeply if we can get more sources of the life time of Sheikh Darood

[Adali]

lets get the argument back into perspective, your claim is the following 1. Isaaq Gadiid was older than Mareexaan Gadiid and thus Mareexaan Gadiid got the name from Isaaq Gadiid, 2. That Isaaq Gadiid lived in Ahmed Gurey's era whiles Mareexaan Gadiid did not.

Ok to answer to your first claim, nope, Isaaq Gadiid is younger than Mareexaan, by your own calculation Mareexaan Gadiid was born in roughly year 1460. whiles Isaaq Gadiid was born in year 1567, almost a century later.

your second claim, nope, Isaaq Gadiid did not live in Ahmed Gureys era, he was born a staggering 60 years after Ahmed Gurey was born and in fact never lived in his era since Ahmed Gurey died in 1543 before Isaaq Gadiid was even born. Mareexaan Gadiid lived during the Ahmed Gurey era, because he was born only a mere 47 years earlier to Ahmed Gurey and could very well have known him in person.

[ZubeirAwal]

^ You forgot that it is not accurate and that it is an estimate, Allahu Aclam but who knows, Gadiid's father Yoonis could have lived for 90+ years this is not the exact calculation Gadiidi of Isaaq could of been born very earlier maybe in the first 10 years of the 1500's because depending on the years of his fathers could have an impact on if he was born earlier or later and my sources of Darood is from wikipedia which is also unreliable so it could not be exact that he could also have been born in the 10th century since Wikipedia also says that

Al-Masudi wrote about the specific Arabian families and tribes that lived in Jabarta and Zeila in his 9th century book Aqeeliyoon. This book sheds light on one individual, a Sufi Sheikh of the Qadiriyyah order called Isma'il ibn Ibrahim al-Jabarti, who fathered several children, one of which was named Abdirahman

so Darood(Abdulrahman) could have been born in 1261 however my resources from Sheikh Isxaaq are from Manuscripts written by his recorder Muhammad Al-Basri.

Point is Both gadiid's are different and neither belong to each tribe. Do you agree that Berbera ( the town where Ahmad Gurey was born in) was in the hands of Isaaq Emirs and that he was born to the ruling Emir family of Berbera?, and if Marehan lived up north with us where did they exactly live?, in galbeed? in Sanaag?

[SOM1960]

Reminds me of this.....Abgaal have got a sub clan called Harti and a sub sub clan called Warsangeli

[OliveOil]

^mareexaans always lived in northern Somalia...they migrated down south in the later years. I belie rim sool an Cayn area.




Anyways, I thought it was an interesting read...all I know that is Wagardhac is the great grandfather of many Mareexaans for example, reer Ahmed, Celi, reer Diini, Soonfure, etc etc...which makes Gadiid their grandfather...so he has to be really old