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[ZubeirAwal]

Brother don't take shots at Islam through Al-Shabab, Al-Shabab and any Militant Radicilazed group that kills innocent are automatically not Muslims.
They betrayed the words of Allah and the Sunnah of the prophet. It is well known that there are conspirancies and that Saudi Arabia (America's Bitch) are funding and creating more Shababis, Politicis and Islam do work, How else did Islam thrive from the 7th century up to the 20th century?, with the establishment of the Islamic Government/Caliphate it thrived as a powerful nation exceding heights higher then ever before, inventing many things that the westerners try to conceal today, such as Hospitals, Schools, Military Stratergies, Archeticture, Personal Hygiene and many more.

Islam is indeed at it's all time low today, it is a " Tiger without teeth". The prophet muhammad (saw) was listed as the greatest man in the world in the book called " The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History" Muhammad (saw) was listed the first, by a non muslim and this was his reasoning.

Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also believed that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity.

In his book he says Muhammad's occupation was a " Secular and religious leader" and his Influences were " he central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as a prophet of God and the last messenger. Active as a social reformer, diplomat, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, military leader, humanitarian, philanthropist."

Now that if Muhammad (saw) did accomplish this, so can we. After all he did say to us I am in Example to you on how you should behave and how you excersise your power and how you should basically do everything!?.

I know where your coming from that Islam being in it's own " stone-age" today but that doesn't mean you should jump on the bandwagon of the other side who seem to be benifiting and enjoying the low and horrible status Islam is in today, rather we should be trying to restore this kind of mentality, however i think it's impossible now and it will only return at a certain age.

AB.

[union]

AbuukarSubeer, the Prophet [PBUH] was a great man indeed, a statesman and chosen of the divine. Unfortunately he is no longer with us, though you claim he appears to you at bedtime. Today Islam is fragmented, with dozens of sects spanning from the Sunni and Shia to the Alawi and Ahmadiyya, each usually accusing the other of being heretics in cahoots with the infidels. There really is 0 chance of any political unity among the Muslims, and the idea of an Islamic Ummah is as dead as Christendom. In the 21st century, Political Islam has failed miserably and that is why people are running away from it and embracing secularism. These clerics, who claim to be "inheritors of the prophets", are extremely partisan and fickle and have lost all the respect of the people. They have stood in the way of progress in their societies, and have become demagogues corrupt and untrustworthy.

The wisdom from history and our own contemporary world has shown us that mixing religion and politics will end in disaster. You keep reaching way back into ancient history to make a case why there should be a religious state today, and I think that's silly. Plenty of Muslim societies like Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc have shown that a nation can be secular and be true to its Islamic heritage and prosper. There is no problem that Political Islam solves that cannot be solved through another method of government, but there are loads of problems it creates that are created by no other type of government. But anyway, I really don't want to make this into a debate. The world has seen the ill-effects of Political Islam and therefore it has been banned. Obviously there is no public document I can point to saying thus, but try establishing a shariah state in Somalia and see how that ends up. The story of the ICU and Ethiopia may give you a hint.

[ZubeirAwal]

Bro first , The Prophet wasn't a prophet for Muslims but rather every single child of Adam (as), and he said :

“My life is good for you. You will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a good for you, for your actions will be presented to me. If I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if I see other than that I will ask forgiveness of Him for you

So bro up today, whatever you do be it good or bad it the prophet would know because of an Angel bringing our works to him, the prophet cares for his ummah more then anything and he loves and wishes them to be all succesful indeed, and for him to ask forgivness from Allah for us is truely a blessing because Allah loves him more then anything. My claim of seeing him within a dream is of truth, for he also narrates

"Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: �He who saw me in a dream has certainly seen me, for Shaytan can not take my form.� [Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim]

And the issue of Secular and Islam coming together, it takes a smart man to accomplish such a thing, just like the prophet did and he was very successful at that.
However religion could not be suppressed within a secular muslim nation, such as the children not being taught Qur'an memorization and Salah at a young age , it is very important to teach children Islam and why they would follow it and how to pray because things such as these become harder when they grow older, a child is pure at a young age however as he grows older he would start to have doubts and thats all coming from Iblis. The fundemental basics for Muslim children such as how to pray, loving Allah, who were the prophets, paradise, earthly sins and its punishments should all be taught because when they grow up they would respect it. This is a fardh(Obligation) for all Muslim rulers otherwise they are creating a society where muslims drink , fornicate, eat of haram and all sorts of things that go out of the fold of Allah's laws. THESE LAWS DON'T APPLY TO NON MUSLIMS, but to muslims only.

AB.

[union]

My vision for Islam in Somalia is a religion that is practiced in the home and the mosque, not in the parliament. Some Muslim people claim that Islam is a "total way of life" and that there can be no government save one run under Islam, and that mankind cannot rule itself but has to be ruled by God, and since obviously God isn't here to rule us we must submit to his presumed viceroys, the clerics. Secular people are those who have rejected totally that line of reasoning. Islam is fine as a religion, in fact many of the great secular people of our time like Ataturk were Muslims, but when it enters politics it becomes UNACCEPTABLE. I don't know how many times I have to tell you, but regardless of how your sugarcoat the issue I will never accept a state that runs under Islam, nor will many other people much more powerful than I. This is a dogmatic principle. The secular world doctrine states that any shariah state anywhere in the world will be destroyed, except if they have oil like the blessed allied Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

[ZubeirAwal]

^ Lol jokes aside , Islam is a way of life and you can only succeed in life ith the Qur'an. And what you just said that All soveriegnty of the state belongs to state and the state president becomes Al-MALIK ,incorrect this is not good bro, Allah is Al-Malik. Any action we carry out, we should also see if it goes through the guide lines of the Qur'an. Not in the salafi/corrupt manner, they a protestant muslims who take everything literally, in the Sufi Tariqah we analyize every single verse and bring out its true meaning from the riddle of it's metaphors, meaning that Islam is there and it is good for us, but it depends on how the brain of a leader works. Kemal Attaturk i have no respect for that man, for he was supported and brought up by brits and saudis when they demolished the Caliphate which gave Islam a Name and a nation where no muslim would starve, if a muslim nation was in turmoil, for example pakistan, the Caliphate would go there and try to fix it as soon as they can. Today King Abdullah sits comfterbly while Muslims North and South , East and West are in dire need of help and assistance. Thats why i said, secularism left Islam like a Tiger with teeth, and it's teeth shall be returned when the promised Mahdi comes as a re-incarnation of the prophet, he would behave like him, speak like him, act like him, the only thing is that he will be a prophet and he would not have his appearance. The Caliphate won't return untill that man comes.