Turkey's Grand Mufti SLAMS Saudi mufti over churches

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http://www.todayszaman.com/news-276525- ... rches.html

Turkey’s top imam blasted the Saudi grand mufti’s call to “destroy all the churches” in the Gulf region, saying that the announcement is in total contradiction to the peaceful teachings of the Muslim religion.
Speaking to Today’s Zaman, Mehmet Görmez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, said he cannot accept the Islamic religious order --fatwa -- issued by Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Shaikh, adding that the mufti’s remarks run contrary to the centuries-old Islamic teachings of tolerance and the sanctity of institutions belonging to other religions.

He emphasized that Islam has always respected religious freedom. “The opinion of the grand mufti also obviously contradicts the agreements that the Prophet of Islam signed with the non-Muslim communities both in Medina and in the region. It also plainly overlooks the right of immunity given by Islam to the holy shrines and temples of other religions on the basis of the rule of law throughout its history,” Görmez explained.

Sheikh Abdulaziz reportedly made the controversial statement during a meeting with a delegation from the Kuwait-based Society of the Revival of Islamic Heritage in response to a query about Shariah law concerning the construction of churches in Muslim countries. He issued the fatwa in March, saying that further church building should be banned and existing Christian houses of worship should be destroyed.

Görmez slammed Abdulaziz, stating, “We strongly believe that this declaration has left dark shadows upon the concept of rights and freedoms in Islam that have always been observed on the basis of its sources, and it will not be recorded as an opinion of Islam.” He also added, “We, therefore, entirely reject the aforementioned opinion and hope that it will be amended as soon as possible.”

Turkey’s top Muslim cleric challenged the Saudi grand mufti’s assertions on the established principles in Islam. “We believe that the mentioned opinion is evidently against the aims of Islam, especially in a region that witnessed the descent of the Holy Quran and the first application of the Sunnah of the Prophet. It is against the Muslim tradition’s established practice of respecting non-Muslims’ rights as well,” he noted.

[nomadicwarlord]

Saudi Mufti - "further church building should be banned and existing Christian houses of worship should be destroyed".
What an idiot.

[Alphanumeric]

I've read that the peninsula is only for Muslims. Meaning that the constructions of places of worship is illegal.

Wait, I just read the entire peninsula must be free of anyone who isn't a Muslim

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Yeah destroy churches and build for us mosques in christian countries.
Moronic backward imams like that piss me off.

Disgusting wahabi hypocrites.

[nomadicwarlord]

France started banning some of these clerics from coming in their country Muslims should condemn these fools because they will taint the name of the religion. Again, that mufti is Saudi, not surprised.

[Alphanumeric]

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. No. 4366 [Muslim]

http://www.sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/

[Shirib]

^^^He certainly didn't practice that when he was alive

[Alphanumeric]

^^^He certainly didn't practice that when he was alive

Because he died. Umar continued it afterward.

...according to IslamQA.com

[Shirib]

^^^He certainly didn't practice that when he was alive

Because he died. Umar continued it afterward.

still doesn't add up. There's no accounts of Christian persecution or forced conversions. Jizziya was widely collected

[SahanGalbeed]

The principles of Islam which are universal should not be confined by time restricted policies of an era that's gone.
Salaxudiin would not have let the jews back in Jerusalem if that were true .
You people need to use your head instead of pulling out various literature of which you have no full understanding .

Start with this

if it makes sense , then God is prolly okay with it , if it doesn't then , prolly not

Now if you have no concept of what makes sense and what doesn't , you need to blame your familiy or community instead of the jews

[Alphanumeric]

The principles of Islam which are universal should not be confined by time restricted policies of an era that's gone.
Salaxudiin would not have let the jews back in Jerusalem if that were true .
You people need to use your head instead of pulling out various literature of which you have no full understanding .

Relax. I'm simply providing probable reason for their stances. I've yet shared my own views.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. No. 4366 [Muslim]

http://www.sahihmuslim.com/sps/smm/

True story.
There cannot be two religions in Saudi arabia.
Other countries is possible.

[Alphanumeric]

Saudi Arabia is a relatively new idea. It's not what the hadeeth is referring to. The entire peninsula is in question.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Saudi Arabia is a relatively new idea. It's not what the hadeeth is referring to. The entire peninsula is in question.

Then we have other hadiths saying we must respect the christian monks/clerics, their prayerhouses.

Bro, there is a lot of contradictions in hadith.
Follow quran and sunnah but do not crush your head wondering which hadith to follow.
Lets leave this to Allah swt.


I never took hadiths 100% to be reliable. Quran id 100% reliable, 100% from Allah swt containing no lie.
Bukhari and muslim were humans, they were not they infallible people

[Alphanumeric]

Saudi Arabia is a relatively new idea. It's not what the hadeeth is referring to. The entire peninsula is in question.

Then we have other hadiths saying we must respect the christian monks/clerics, their prayerhouses.

Bro, there is a lot of contradictions in hadith.
Follow quran and sunnah but do not crush your head wondering which hadith to follow.
Lets leave this to Allah swt.

No, I don't see any contradictions.

Personally speaking, I only have an issue of what occurred after the death of the Prophet.