I almost had a fight with a Shi'a Dawah group today
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:46 pm
Bear in mind this just happened at 6:20 PM, I was walking down the high-street to do some grocery shopping for ma fam, and then i saw this dawah group, in the direction i was walking they were there so i had to walk past them. When i walked past they said to me " Hey African brother, consider converting to Islam don't believe in the Media".
I said " Haha, just so you know, i'm a born Muslim brother, and i'm a Somali ", And then they said " Oh sorry brother we couldn't recognise you, you should wear some Islamic wear". ( I was wearing a Beanie hat, a checkered -buttoned shirt buttoned to the top and jeans). I replied " The way a person dresses doesn't determine who he is, you can be wearing the most finest-islamic clothes in town but still be one of the worst muslims in the world inside". Then they said " But with what the world has today and it's street crime-" i stopped him there and said " Brother , Don't associate me with gangs because i have never been around any, nor have i had friends who were in them"
Then they switched the topic and said " So whereabout in Somalia you come from?" i replied " The northern part, today a break-away territory called Somaliland"
then they said " Is it the flag with the Ashahada on the top strip?" i said " Yeah, but let's not focus on that" then he said " I heard the Somali's have alot of tribes and some claim to be Banu Hashim is this true?" I said " Yes it's true infact i am from the clan called Isaaq" then he said " Could you break it down who was Isaaq?" I said " He was a family member of descendents of the prophet through Imam Hussein (R.A/A.S) and his grandfather who's name is Muhammad ibn Hussein faced alot of troubles in Samarra Iraq when the Abbasid's where ruling, they told him to move and he moved to Madina Al-Munawara where he died and his son was born who's name was Ahmad ibn Muhammad, when Ahmad grew to about 30 years of age he and his Son Isaaq ibn Ahmad were to travel to Yemen along with his 3 brothers who's names were:
Nassir, Dahir , Sufyaan
Nassir grew in yemen and settled in Jabal D'abiten and his descendants are known as Ahlul-Mansura
Dahir settled in Makhwan and his descendents today are known as Ahlul- Madahara
Sufyan Died without childre
, he told his family and his immediate family to split up due to the bad reputation and situation the Hashimites were facing .Isaaq ibn Ahmad along with his brothers and his father moved to yemen where his father died. Isaaq settled in Saba , Yemen and was active in giving Da'wah at the time. During his stay the King of Saba married Isaaq to his sister who bore him two sons who's names were Sayid Dara'an, and Sharif who can be found today in the village of Al-Karab in Yemen.
He later on moved to Jawf and married his cousin who bore him a son named Mansur. Later on Isaaq's life he travelled to Harar in ethiopia and stayed there for awhile, he married his 3rd wife who was from the Harari tribe called "Habuushed" and she bore him four sons:
Ahmad
Musa
Muhammad
Ibrahim
he then had an interest in the eastern area of the land whom somali's lived in, he embarked in a journey to spread the deen in that land. He travelled to Mait a town by the beach in the north and married a woman from the Magadleh tribe and she bore him four sons named:
Ayub
Ismail
Arab
Abdurrahman
"
Then the one of the Street Dawah guys said " Ahlul-Bayt are predomiantely Iranian, i find it impossible for dark somali's such as you to be part of the prophet's tribe"
I then said " Bare in mind that Isaaq lived 700 years ago and his descendants were inter-marrying with the natives in the land, a man's colour could change but his lineage remains" then another one of them said " I believe Isaaq existed, because there was insurgency in the time of Abbasid dynasty against Banu hashim, but how can you prove to me your HIS descendant?, do you count your forefathers name up to his like any other banu hashim would?" i said " Yes, this is a tradition that we carry" i then named my name up to Sheikh isaaq and i then told them " i count 20-22 names to his name, and an average generation is 33 years, multiply that by 20/22 it will give you 700 and something minus that by 2012 and it will answer 1289 or 1308 which is the years when Isaaq lived" Then he said " Mashallah this is amazing, and that your one knowledgable person to study such a thing" then one of them asked " Are you Sunni or Shia?" i said " I'm a Sunni-Sufi, i try my best to love the prophet and follow his teachings"
then they said " Fair enough", then i said " Do you guys curse Aisha (RA) today?" then they said " Yes, and it's permitted" i said " Why?", then he said " Because she raised a fitna against Imam Ali (A.S/R.A) and hence she became a apostate/kafir " I said " Imam Ali (a.s/r.a) didn't think so?, after that dispute he told Aisha R.A to return to Medina in which she did after her defeat, he didn't call her a kafir or anything so what justifies this?" he then said " The Ayatollah's do " i said to him " There is a very low chance of entering Jannah with that kind of logic, slandering the beloved wife of the beloved of Allah, who hugged her, smiled at her, cooked with her, laughed with her"
then one of them said " Your a Sunni alright, fuk sunni's" I said " Whoa Akhi there is no need for this, Aisha R.A and all of the Khulifa Ar-Rashiduun and All of the Sahaba passed away and hopefully they are in Jannah with the prophet as we speak, you cannot claim to better then those who saw the face of the holy prophet daily"
then one of them said " What is said , is said!, The Khalifa's Umar, Abi-bakr , are apostates" i clinched my fists and said " Umar R.A was among those who the prophet had a dream and in that dream he saw milk leaking out of his hand, and he put it in a cup and gave it to Umar R.A!, the sahaba asked the prophet what does this mean, he said that cup was a cup-full of knowledge!, Hence combine all of your ayatollahs and the Imams that came after Ali and Hussein, none of them can be compared to Umar R.A and his remarkable life, What i don't get about you Shiite's is why do you make Ahlul-Bayt into some kind of monarchy and that anyone outside of it is inferior?, this is disgusting!" and then one of them raised his fist to fight me in which i grabbed his arm and twisted it, he was very chubby and pleaded me to let go, in which i did, i told them " I did not want this argument to go this way, but you continue to insult the men who were chosen to be the disicples, the companions, the friends, and the students of the holy prophet muhammad (saw) which forces me to defend them, this is slandering and it has grave-offences".
I said " Haha, just so you know, i'm a born Muslim brother, and i'm a Somali ", And then they said " Oh sorry brother we couldn't recognise you, you should wear some Islamic wear". ( I was wearing a Beanie hat, a checkered -buttoned shirt buttoned to the top and jeans). I replied " The way a person dresses doesn't determine who he is, you can be wearing the most finest-islamic clothes in town but still be one of the worst muslims in the world inside". Then they said " But with what the world has today and it's street crime-" i stopped him there and said " Brother , Don't associate me with gangs because i have never been around any, nor have i had friends who were in them"
Then they switched the topic and said " So whereabout in Somalia you come from?" i replied " The northern part, today a break-away territory called Somaliland"
then they said " Is it the flag with the Ashahada on the top strip?" i said " Yeah, but let's not focus on that" then he said " I heard the Somali's have alot of tribes and some claim to be Banu Hashim is this true?" I said " Yes it's true infact i am from the clan called Isaaq" then he said " Could you break it down who was Isaaq?" I said " He was a family member of descendents of the prophet through Imam Hussein (R.A/A.S) and his grandfather who's name is Muhammad ibn Hussein faced alot of troubles in Samarra Iraq when the Abbasid's where ruling, they told him to move and he moved to Madina Al-Munawara where he died and his son was born who's name was Ahmad ibn Muhammad, when Ahmad grew to about 30 years of age he and his Son Isaaq ibn Ahmad were to travel to Yemen along with his 3 brothers who's names were:
Nassir, Dahir , Sufyaan
Nassir grew in yemen and settled in Jabal D'abiten and his descendants are known as Ahlul-Mansura
Dahir settled in Makhwan and his descendents today are known as Ahlul- Madahara
Sufyan Died without childre
, he told his family and his immediate family to split up due to the bad reputation and situation the Hashimites were facing .Isaaq ibn Ahmad along with his brothers and his father moved to yemen where his father died. Isaaq settled in Saba , Yemen and was active in giving Da'wah at the time. During his stay the King of Saba married Isaaq to his sister who bore him two sons who's names were Sayid Dara'an, and Sharif who can be found today in the village of Al-Karab in Yemen.
He later on moved to Jawf and married his cousin who bore him a son named Mansur. Later on Isaaq's life he travelled to Harar in ethiopia and stayed there for awhile, he married his 3rd wife who was from the Harari tribe called "Habuushed" and she bore him four sons:
Ahmad
Musa
Muhammad
Ibrahim
he then had an interest in the eastern area of the land whom somali's lived in, he embarked in a journey to spread the deen in that land. He travelled to Mait a town by the beach in the north and married a woman from the Magadleh tribe and she bore him four sons named:
Ayub
Ismail
Arab
Abdurrahman
"
Then the one of the Street Dawah guys said " Ahlul-Bayt are predomiantely Iranian, i find it impossible for dark somali's such as you to be part of the prophet's tribe"
I then said " Bare in mind that Isaaq lived 700 years ago and his descendants were inter-marrying with the natives in the land, a man's colour could change but his lineage remains" then another one of them said " I believe Isaaq existed, because there was insurgency in the time of Abbasid dynasty against Banu hashim, but how can you prove to me your HIS descendant?, do you count your forefathers name up to his like any other banu hashim would?" i said " Yes, this is a tradition that we carry" i then named my name up to Sheikh isaaq and i then told them " i count 20-22 names to his name, and an average generation is 33 years, multiply that by 20/22 it will give you 700 and something minus that by 2012 and it will answer 1289 or 1308 which is the years when Isaaq lived" Then he said " Mashallah this is amazing, and that your one knowledgable person to study such a thing" then one of them asked " Are you Sunni or Shia?" i said " I'm a Sunni-Sufi, i try my best to love the prophet and follow his teachings"
then they said " Fair enough", then i said " Do you guys curse Aisha (RA) today?" then they said " Yes, and it's permitted" i said " Why?", then he said " Because she raised a fitna against Imam Ali (A.S/R.A) and hence she became a apostate/kafir " I said " Imam Ali (a.s/r.a) didn't think so?, after that dispute he told Aisha R.A to return to Medina in which she did after her defeat, he didn't call her a kafir or anything so what justifies this?" he then said " The Ayatollah's do " i said to him " There is a very low chance of entering Jannah with that kind of logic, slandering the beloved wife of the beloved of Allah, who hugged her, smiled at her, cooked with her, laughed with her"
then one of them said " Your a Sunni alright, fuk sunni's" I said " Whoa Akhi there is no need for this, Aisha R.A and all of the Khulifa Ar-Rashiduun and All of the Sahaba passed away and hopefully they are in Jannah with the prophet as we speak, you cannot claim to better then those who saw the face of the holy prophet daily"
then one of them said " What is said , is said!, The Khalifa's Umar, Abi-bakr , are apostates" i clinched my fists and said " Umar R.A was among those who the prophet had a dream and in that dream he saw milk leaking out of his hand, and he put it in a cup and gave it to Umar R.A!, the sahaba asked the prophet what does this mean, he said that cup was a cup-full of knowledge!, Hence combine all of your ayatollahs and the Imams that came after Ali and Hussein, none of them can be compared to Umar R.A and his remarkable life, What i don't get about you Shiite's is why do you make Ahlul-Bayt into some kind of monarchy and that anyone outside of it is inferior?, this is disgusting!" and then one of them raised his fist to fight me in which i grabbed his arm and twisted it, he was very chubby and pleaded me to let go, in which i did, i told them " I did not want this argument to go this way, but you continue to insult the men who were chosen to be the disicples, the companions, the friends, and the students of the holy prophet muhammad (saw) which forces me to defend them, this is slandering and it has grave-offences".
which take their ayatollah's opinion over Ali's subxanallah.