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Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:06 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Hassan received education from as many as seventy-two Somali and Arab religious teachers. In 1891, upon returning home, he married an Ogadeni woman. Three years later, along with two uncles and eleven other companions some of whom were his maternal kin, Hassan went to Mecca to perform the Hajj. The party stayed there for a year and half and came under the charismatic influence of the newly-developing Saalihiya order under the leadership of the great Sudanese mystic, Mohammed Salih. Hassan received initiation and very rigorous spiritual training under Salih. From this experience, Hassan emerged a changed man — spiritually transformed, 'shaken and over-awed', but determined to spread the teachings of the Saalihiya order in Somalia.
and also Sheikh Darod was a Sufi
Authors such as Ibn Hawqal, Al-Muqaddasi and Ibn Said have confirmed the early presence of Arabian tribes in municipalities such as Berbera, Zeila, Jabarta (an old metropolis now in ruins) and Massawa in the northern Horn of Africa.
Al-Masudi wrote about the specific Arabian families and tribes that lived in Jabarta and Zeila in his 9th century book Aqeeliyoon. This book sheds light on one individual, a Sufi Sheikh of the Qadiriyyah order called Isma'il ibn Ibrahim al-Jabarti, who fathered several children, one of which was named Abdirahman.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:18 pm
by Colonel
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:22 pm
by caburiye1
I don't think he is reer sheikh Cali Suufi. I think he is from another ogaden tribe.
Just guessing. You can ask Hyper.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:24 pm
by Executive
Sayidka wasn't a suufi. the suufi at that time were in conflict with the Darwiish, they did not want to fight the Italians. And they were against Darwiish recruitments in south somalia.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:03 pm
by Arabmann
If the Sayid (AUN) was alive today, he would be branded Wahhabi, Salafi, Khawaarij, etc.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:05 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Arabman wrote:If the Sayid (AUN) was alive today, he would be branded Wahhabi, Salafi, Khawaarij, etc.
So he was the Al-Shabab of his time is it, today its Africans and not the british same shidh.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:21 pm
by Arabmann
AbuukarSubeer wrote:So he was the Al-Shabab of his time is it, today its Africans and not the british same shidh.
Back then, the Brits didn't know much about Islam. They labeled Muslims sufi. They didn't use words like Wahhabi, Khawaarij, Salafi, terrorist, fundamentalist, extremist, etc. But, they accused the Sayid and his men of cannibalism, among other words they used back then. Yeah, today it's Ugandans, the Xabashi and others, but with the support of UK, USA and others.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:28 pm
by Arabmann
This is what I was referring to:
You can read it at NYT:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 5B838CF1D3
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:51 pm
by Lamagoodle
Executive wrote:Sayidka wasn't a suufi. the suufi at that time were in conflict with the Darwiish, they did not want to fight the Italians. And they were against Darwiish recruitments in south somalia.
Executive, you are wrong saaxib. Sayid Maxamed belonged to suufi order of saalixiya order. There was no conflict of faith between the different suufi orders (Khadiiria, Axmadiya and Saalixiya) ; these orders were scattered all over somalia. Khadiriya with the great Sheikh Aweys (who spread islam all the way to Mozambique) and Saalixiya (which was rather new) fought for influence in the south.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:53 pm
by Arabmann
Lamgoodle wrote:Executive, you are wrong saaxib. Sayid Maxamed belonged to suufi order of saalixiya order. There was no conflict of faith between the different suufi orders (Khadiiria, Axmadiya and Saalixiya) ; these orders were scattered all over somalia. Khadiriya with the great Sheikh Aweys (who spread islam all the way to Mozambique) and Saalixiya (which was rather new) fought for influence in the south.
So, there never was a conflict between Sayidka and Aweys?
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:54 pm
by ZubeirAwal
Lamgoodle wrote:Executive wrote:Sayidka wasn't a suufi. the suufi at that time were in conflict with the Darwiish, they did not want to fight the Italians. And they were against Darwiish recruitments in south somalia.
Executive, you are wrong saaxib. Sayid Maxamed belonged to suufi order of saalixiya order. There was no conflict of faith between the different suufi orders (Khadiiria, Axmadiya and Saalixiya) ; these orders were scattered all over somalia. Khadiriya with the great Sheikh Aweys (who spread islam all the way to Mozambique) and Saalixiya (which was rather new) fought for influence in the south.
Inshallah anigna i'll introduced Shadilli order

Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:02 pm
by Lamagoodle
Arabmann,
The conflict was between the different orders and centred on resources ; It was not between Sayid Maxamed and Sheikh Aweys. The Saalixiyah order established a base in Baardheere and was about to establish in Hiiraan and Bakool. The Qaadiriya was the largest order and had bases in all over the south. The Axmadiya was also gaining influence.
Arabmann, read this piece by Mohamed Haju Mukhtar, the somali historian.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 9608704222.
If you google, you will find the whole article.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:07 pm
by waryaa
AbuukarSubeer wrote:
and also Sheikh Darod was a Sufi
Authors such as Ibn Hawqal, Al-Muqaddasi and Ibn Said have confirmed the early presence of Arabian tribes in municipalities such as Berbera, Zeila, Jabarta (an old metropolis now in ruins) and Massawa in the northern Horn of Africa.
Al-Masudi wrote about the specific Arabian families and tribes that lived in Jabarta and Zeila in his 9th century book Aqeeliyoon. This book sheds light on one individual, a Sufi Sheikh of the Qadiriyyah order called Isma'il ibn Ibrahim al-Jabarti, who fathered several children, one of which was named Abdirahman.
abukar, where was/is this city "jabarta"? Abdiwahab always calls darods jbartis. I remember googling the word "jabarti" the first time which yielded more Eritrean references than Somalis.
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:15 pm
by ZubeirAwal
The 9th-century Islamic writers Al-Masudi and Yaqub Ibn Abudllah Al-Hamawi wrote in their book Aqeeliyoon (which describes the lives and lineages of the descendants of the prophet Mohammed's young cousin, Aqeel Ibn Abu Talib) that several Quraysh sub-clans moved to the city of Zeila in present day Somalia, around the ninth century A.D.[verification needed] {{Reference necessary|Some key sub-clans include Banu Shams, Banu Abd Manaf and Banu Hashim. From the Banu Hashim, many Aquiline settlers lived in Jabarta, such as Ahmed Ibn Husein Ibn Ali Al-Jabarti, and Ahmed Ibn Omar Al-Zayli. Most importantly, he mentions the Sufi Qadiriyah Sheik Ismail Ibn Ibrahim Ibn Abdisamad Al-Aqeeyli Al-Zayli, who is considered[by whom?] a Sufi saint in Yemen, and from whom the Darod claim to have descended. This Sufi Sheikh had the following 5 sons:
Ahmed bin Abdirahman: Ahmed-Sade Darod, Muhammad bin Abdirahman: Mohamed-Kablalah Darod, Hussien bin Abdirahman: huseen-Tanade Darod, Yousuf bin Abdirahman: Yusuuf-Awrtable Darod and Eissa bin Abdirahman: isse-Isse Darod
I don't know about Jabarta but i got the info from this link.
http://knowledgewiki.org/article/Darod? ... EHgWahphkm
Re: Did you know Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan was a sufi?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:20 pm
by Thuganomics
He was a sufi of the Sheikh Mohamed Salah order.Back then there was only Sufi orders which all developed from Abdul Qadir Jilani tariqa(Qadiria) in that part of Africa