Marehan is very empowered in the constituent assembly.

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Marehan is very empowered in the constituent assembly.

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The most important proceedings which will take Somalia out of the transition and tasked with ratifying the constitution, the finalization of parliament, the election of the post-transition president, as well as the speaker of parliament will be based on the 4.5 and 18 regions formula of the constituent assemblymen to be named by the elders convening in Mogadishu.

For example in comparison with US electoral forumala:

The Marehan clan = civilian population
The Elders named = Indirect representatives (of civilian population)
The members chosen by Elders = Electoral College (carry the vote of elders + civilian population)

So the process is the Marehan people are represented by their elders and the elders will in turn have the sole choice to pick the Marehan members to sit in the constituent assembly for the Marehan clan. These Marehan assemblymen will make the votes on behalf of the Marehan clan. This makes the process truly owned by Somalis through their respected institutions without usual things about "warlords represented" or "decided by international community". Very ingenious method to make the important votes that will start the post-transition very legitimate and concern-proof.

The above example goes for all clans.

Now the votes are based on 4.5 and 18 regions which has surprising results for Marehan specifically because under that formula and since Embagathi;

1. Marehan is second to Abgaal as the most empowered nominal sub-clan per vote (if you take out all of Isaaq considered "sub-clan" under Dir)
2. Marehan for example has 15% more votes than Majerten in 4.5
3. Marehan has strengthened an alliance voting block among Habar Gidir, Dhulbahante, and various other clans including Dir and minority clans.

It should be an interesting political process that will end the post-transition and which makes Marehan one of the hotter commodities to seek in the constituent assembly and votes for constitution ratification, and election of the post-transitional leadership.
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The`Republic wrote: 3. Marehan has strengthened an alliance voting block among Habar Gidir, Dhulbahante, and various other clans including Dir and minority clans.
Can you please elaborate on this.
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It is not appropriate for me to do so.
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Sade has 14 seats, Majeerteen has 12 seats. However during the TNG government formed in carta the Majeerteen had 19 seats and Mareexaan had 11 seats, but when AY was racing for the presidency in Nairobi, some of the Darood subclans complained to the ´gudiga doorashada´ about the lack of balance in how the Darood seats where allocated. The committee agreed with them and took five seats from Majeerteen and gave 3 seats to Mareexaan and two seats to Leelkasse. Majeerteen also gave two of their own seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle voluntarily. This distribution of seats resorted into Majeerteen having 12 (19 in Carta), Mareexaan 14 (11 in Carta), Leelkasse 5 (3 in carta) Warsangali 5 (4 in Carta) and Disishle 2 (1 in Carta). If Majeerteen didn't give 2 seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle, they would have 14 seats like Mareexaan.

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http://i.imgur.com/p82lt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UGmFW.jpg
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Lol @ Abdullahi Yusuf's book. Some people have no shame using some sources as independent and rational sources. :lol:

Embagathi was based on 4.5, Arta was not. Majerten did not participate nor acknowledge Arta, appeasement was being undertaken that was unwarranted. In Embagathi, Majerten led by Abdullahi Yusuf were very participatory but the 4.5 formula system built was independent of clans as even Abdullahi Yusuf acknowledges it was made by the UN committee that was tasked for forming the system.

The system continued during DJibouti Process and led the Marehan to increase their margin share. In the constituent assembly of 4.5 and 18, the same model continues.
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abdalla11 wrote:Sade has 14 seats, Majeerteen has 12 seats. However during the TNG government formed in carta the Majeerteen had 19 seats and Mareexaan had 11 seats, but when AY was racing for the presidency in Nairobi, some of the Darood subclans complained to the ´gudiga doorashada´ about the lack of balance in how the Darood seats where allocated. The committee agreed with them and took five seats from Majeerteen and gave 3 seats to Mareexaan and two seats to Leelkasse. Majeerteen also gave two of their own seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle voluntarily. This distribution of seats resorted into Majeerteen having 12 (19 in Carta), Mareexaan 14 (11 in Carta), Leelkasse 5 (3 in carta) Warsangali 5 (4 in Carta) and Disishle 2 (1 in Carta). If Majeerteen didn't give 2 seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle, they would have 14 seats like Mareexaan.

Pics are too big

http://i.imgur.com/p82lt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UGmFW.jpg
How come Ogaden have no seats..since they are the largest darood clan :?
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:
abdalla11 wrote:Sade has 14 seats, Majeerteen has 12 seats. However during the TNG government formed in carta the Majeerteen had 19 seats and Mareexaan had 11 seats, but when AY was racing for the presidency in Nairobi, some of the Darood subclans complained to the ´gudiga doorashada´ about the lack of balance in how the Darood seats where allocated. The committee agreed with them and took five seats from Majeerteen and gave 3 seats to Mareexaan and two seats to Leelkasse. Majeerteen also gave two of their own seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle voluntarily. This distribution of seats resorted into Majeerteen having 12 (19 in Carta), Mareexaan 14 (11 in Carta), Leelkasse 5 (3 in carta) Warsangali 5 (4 in Carta) and Disishle 2 (1 in Carta). If Majeerteen didn't give 2 seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle, they would have 14 seats like Mareexaan.

Pics are too big

http://i.imgur.com/p82lt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UGmFW.jpg
How come Ogaden have seats..since they are the largest darood clan :?
Ogaden are langaab inside Somalia, they are only numerous in Soomali Galbeed and NFD.
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War stfo :lost:
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XimanJaale wrote:
Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:
abdalla11 wrote:Sade has 14 seats, Majeerteen has 12 seats. However during the TNG government formed in carta the Majeerteen had 19 seats and Mareexaan had 11 seats, but when AY was racing for the presidency in Nairobi, some of the Darood subclans complained to the ´gudiga doorashada´ about the lack of balance in how the Darood seats where allocated. The committee agreed with them and took five seats from Majeerteen and gave 3 seats to Mareexaan and two seats to Leelkasse. Majeerteen also gave two of their own seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle voluntarily. This distribution of seats resorted into Majeerteen having 12 (19 in Carta), Mareexaan 14 (11 in Carta), Leelkasse 5 (3 in carta) Warsangali 5 (4 in Carta) and Disishle 2 (1 in Carta). If Majeerteen didn't give 2 seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle, they would have 14 seats like Mareexaan.

Pics are too big

http://i.imgur.com/p82lt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UGmFW.jpg
How come Ogaden have seats..since they are the largest darood clan :?
Ogaden are langaab inside Somalia, they are only numerous in Soomali Galbeed and NFD.
:lol: truth.
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Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE wrote:War stfo :lost:
naa I'm givin u a answer, take it or leave it yareeey :)
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I request The noble ogaden be left out of this mr and mj brawl. :)
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XimaanJaale,

Sxb why do You take unprovoked shots?
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Murax wrote:XimaanJaale,

Sxb why do You take unprovoked shots?
lol, i was just answering smile honestly, she asked a question. :)
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4.5 was introduced by Abdiqassims TNG.
What Does the 4.5 Formula Mean?

During the national dialogue in 2000 in Arta, Djibouti, where the Transitional National Government (TNG), the predecessor to the TFG was formed, the ’4.5 formula’ was first given shape. Leaders of the various clans participated in the conference, and after long debates about representation, a structure which roughly reflected the relative populations of Somalia’s clans was proposed and accepted.

Somalia’s four largest clans are the Darod, Dir, Hawiye and Issaq, each of which are reserved 50 parliamentary seats, while the remaining 25 seats are to be divided between the smaller clans.

From 2000 onwards, the Parliament has elected MPs using this 4.5 formula, including the government which was established in 2004 in Nairobi, led by then-president Abdulahi Yusuf Ahmed, as well the current TFG which is led by President Sheikh Sharif.
http://www.ilmaal.com/wadani/?p=1069
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abdalla11 wrote:Sade has 14 seats, Majeerteen has 12 seats. However during the TNG government formed in carta the Majeerteen had 19 seats and Mareexaan had 11 seats, but when AY was racing for the presidency in Nairobi, some of the Darood subclans complained to the ´gudiga doorashada´ about the lack of balance in how the Darood seats where allocated. The committee agreed with them and took five seats from Majeerteen and gave 3 seats to Mareexaan and two seats to Leelkasse. Majeerteen also gave two of their own seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle voluntarily. This distribution of seats resorted into Majeerteen having 12 (19 in Carta), Mareexaan 14 (11 in Carta), Leelkasse 5 (3 in carta) Warsangali 5 (4 in Carta) and Disishle 2 (1 in Carta). If Majeerteen didn't give 2 seats to Warsangeli and Dishishle, they would have 14 seats like Mareexaan.

Pics are too big

http://i.imgur.com/p82lt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UGmFW.jpg
How come Ogaden have no seats..since they are the largest darood clan :?

Who said they don't have seats? I don't know the exact quantity of respresentatives of Ogadeen and Dhulbahante
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Ximan ogaaden oo idil iyo reer diini ba fac siman. meeshuu ogaden laabgaab ku noqdo idinkuna non existent baad ka tihiin taas ogoow.
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