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Dhul-Qarnayn=Alexander the Great? or Cyrus the Great?..

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Some Islamic scholars think that Alexander the great or Cyrus the Great were Prophet Dhul-Qarnayn.... His story is very similar to that of both men...In the quran says that he conquered lands from sun up to sun down...And he is the one who put a barrier between the civilized people and the Yajuj wa Majuj (Gog Magog)....???
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Not some scholars just one.
Infact not even a scholar .the author of the most popular
quran translation. yusuf ali
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Alexander the great despite being an extraordinary individual was a pagan who believed in his own divinity. Also there's nothing particularly pious or godly in his conduct throughout his life since he was an alcoholic bisexual who gave in to terrible bouts of rage. Not exactly a saintly figure muslims should look up to.

Whereas Cyrus, despite being a fire-worshipper, was known for his magnanimity and generorsity in spirit. Although he was also a godless pagan who used religion for his own benefit like when he conquered Babylon.
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King Hammurabi Or Sargon The great (Babylon/akkadian). Both ruled what was known to be the whole world (Civilized world )at their time, Both were around the time of Ibrahim AS 4000 Years ago, and other few things which makes them a prime candidate. Cyrus was 600 Years after Moses Time and he believed in many gods, Alexander was 300 years after him and believed on even more gods and did many things that wasn't god fearing. THE THING IS DHUL QARNAYN is a mystery among few others that its discovery would signal Yom el qiyama is imminent, so we can speculate all we want but once we know for sure then know that its almost the end of this world. When the jews asked the prophet pbuh so he can proof he was a prophet they asked him 3 things that only allah swt would know of their intention, They asked for people who were locked in a cave (the cave people who were trapped for 300 years), a person who went west and east (Dhul qarnayn) and a third question. The prophet pbuh didn't know the answer nor the intention of the jew rabbis but they wanted to know how long till yom el qiyama by asking those questions so the prophet pbuh told them he will get them the reply.
Allah swt sent the sura which allah swt said in meaning "and they are asking you about dhul al qarnayN. tell them that the hour is only known by allah swt" and when the prophet Pbuh told them of the sura they knew straight away he was a true prophet from allah swt because they didn't tell him of their intention nor the details of their questions but still refused to follow him because he wasn't of jewish lineage like the majority of the other prophets which made the prophet pbuh make a supplication to allah to damn them in hell for after all this they still refused to follow him. I really hope we don't find out for sure who was dhul qarnayn in my life time but once its 100% sure through a discovery artifact,tomb etc then you better take every cent you have and book for a haj ASAP before the first major sign appear and you repentance Door is shut.
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I always thought Dhul-Qarnayn was a metophorical good king instead of an actual king from antiquity. He's probably the combination of all good kingly qualities. God-fearing, brave, dutiful to his subjects etc.
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Dhul Qarnein wasn't a prophet he was just a man who was given knowledge.Just like Luqman
And like gurey said it's ony Abdulla Yusuf Ali in his transaltion of the Quran that he puts forward this theory in the side note
Allahu Aclam whether he was Alexander the great though.As for Cyrus I don't even know who he is
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Dhul qarnien is definatley prehistoric i.e he livef before recorded history
historians dont not anything before 3000bc and they are afraid to speculate even though the text they studied from sumerians . indians and egyptians all claim that their ancesters were greateryhan them in knowledge and civilization.
For example tge indus valley civilization was clearly more advanced than anything in egypt and mesopotamia and the hindu myths all claim that their civilization was formed by refugees ftom a great catasthrophe that wiped out their greatest civilizations.

In my opinion i wouldnt ne surprised ifdhulqarnien lived close to 10000 bc
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Thuganomics wrote:Dhul Qarnein wasn't a prophet he was just a man who was given knowledge.Just like Luqman
And like gurey said it's ony Abdulla Yusuf Ali in his transaltion of the Quran that he puts forward this theory in the side note
Allahu Aclam whether he was Alexander the great though.As for Cyrus I don't even know who he is

You dont know Cyrus the great...you saying u dont...are u kidding me son...well in order to find out ..go to this special blog...my(no space)hajj.blogspot.com
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Some scholars claime that DHULQARNAYN and Alexander the great and same person but no one know for sure if Dhulqarneyn and alexdander the great are same. according a verse of quran ;.. DulqarnayN Went and he Reached setting place of the sun, he found the Sun Setting in a muddy spring. :up: :up: :up:
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DR-YALAXOOW wrote:Some scholars claime that DHULQARNAYN and Alexander the great and same person but no one know for sure if Dhulqarneyn and alexdander the great are same. according a verse of quran ;.. DulqarnayN Went and he Reached setting place of the sun, he found the Sun Setting in a muddy spring. :up: :up: :up:

Dhul qarnyan Met Ibrahim AS so he was around the time of Ibrahim AS, THAT IS 2000 B.C AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT was around 300 b.c way after moses time.
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dhul qarnayn was a pious man and a just ruler. there is a reason why the qur'aan never drifts into those backgrounds. it is just never ending debate and spectation from correct/incorrect sources like the israeeliyaat. dhul qarnayn was an example of a good skillsman and a leader, waxa lagaa doonaya kaliya inaad ka run sheegtid oo ku dayatid.
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MidriGeez wrote:
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:Some scholars claime that DHULQARNAYN and Alexander the great and same person but no one know for sure if Dhulqarneyn and alexdander the great are same. according a verse of quran ;.. DulqarnayN Went and he Reached setting place of the sun, he found the Sun Setting in a muddy spring. :up: :up: :up:

Dhul qarnyan Met Ibrahim AS so he was around the time of Ibrahim AS, THAT IS 2000 B.C AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT was around 300 b.c way after moses time.
dhul qarnayn was no way around the same era as nabiyuna ibrahim. the world as we know it, was only ever ruled entirely by 4 leaders. 2 muslims i.e. nabiyuna suleymaan and dhulqarnayn, and two non muslims i.e. bukhtanassar and namruud (nimrod the pagan king at the time of prophet ibrahim). so how could two leaders appear in the same era?
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I read somewhere that the Buddha was the prophet Idris :lol: :down:
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abakar20 wrote:
MidriGeez wrote:
DR-YALAXOOW wrote:Some scholars claime that DHULQARNAYN and Alexander the great and same person but no one know for sure if Dhulqarneyn and alexdander the great are same. according a verse of quran ;.. DulqarnayN Went and he Reached setting place of the sun, he found the Sun Setting in a muddy spring. :up: :up: :up:

Dhul qarnyan Met Ibrahim AS so he was around the time of Ibrahim AS, THAT IS 2000 B.C AND ALEXANDER THE GREAT was around 300 b.c way after moses time.
dhul qarnayn was no way around the same era as nabiyuna ibrahim. the world as we know it, was only ever ruled entirely by 4 leaders. 2 muslims i.e. nabiyuna suleymaan and dhulqarnayn, and two non muslims i.e. bukhtanassar and namruud (nimrod the pagan king at the time of prophet ibrahim). so how could two leaders appear in the same era?
There is a hadith Muslim where The prophet said that Ibrahim AS AND ISMAEL AS met dhul qarnayn. Ibrahim AS lived in canaan and went to mecca after he builded THE KABAA he met dhul qarnayn and did tawwaf together there infact many scholars say that dhul qarnayn accepted islam at the hands of Ibrahim AS. That is why i am leaning towards sargon the great as Dhul qarnayn because Ibrahim AS left babel because of Nimrod and After Nimrod died Sargon was the undisputed Ruler and he conquered all the land hence meeting IBRAHIM as in Mecca. historians are saying Sargon the great believed in one god as well. But sxb allah wa a3lem and i hope i am wrong loool.
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if there is a sa7ee7 hadith then khalas, no need for further debate.
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