Party time over, time to face the fact

[SSSM]

it was a nice party last night! VIVA somaliland, happy 18 may..

Now that we wake up and we are no more on mirqaan, it is time to touch the reality and the reality is:

There is no ictiraaf without Somalia saying yes.

and somalia will never say yes unless:
a) somalia is fixed
b) we have the keys to their politics.


in other words, if fixing somalia is impossible, recognition of somaliland is beyond that.


My question to the forum :

Do you agree?

[SahanGalbeed]

Our respective futures are twined together , yes .

[PrinceDaadi]

While i normally dont like to comment on Somali politics there r few things i want to clarify here, in order a region to break away from a mother country it should come either through mutual agreement or referendum. you cant wake up one day and say hey i left this marriage.

[xiimaaya]

No somali from the south will agree to divide the country im gald yall are coming to your senses..

[SSSM]

While i normally dont like to comment on Somali politics there r few things i want to clarify here, in order a region to break away from a mother country it should come either through mutual agreement or referendum. you cant wake up one day and say hey i left this marriage.

You are right in most countries that is the case.

but in case of somaliland and somalia, There is no mother/son relationship, it was based on a union between two countries. Based on the historical facts, Ideally, Somaliland does not need approval from Somalia. However, sadly the world is treating somaliland as a region succeeding from a main country. Somaliland tried everything to change that view, but with no results. The world does not care about somalis dying by African troops, do you think they would care for a somali who lives in peace but no "recognition"

What I am trying to say, there is no ictiraf coming from the world. No one cares out there....

Our foreign minister is only now chasing western aid...

Somaliland people should stand up and ask the government where is the recognition.

xiimaaya

Weather it somalia or somaliland, I am always your boss

[Advo]

Our respective futures are twined together , yes .

Horta Sahan I wanna know ur perspective of how Somalia and Somaliland can work together? I already heard enough about the two extremist camps of die hard no's and die hard yes.

[SahanGalbeed]

Our respective futures are twined together , yes .

Horta Sahan I wanna know ur perspective of how Somalia and Somaliland can work together? I already heard enough about the two extremist camps of die hard no's and die hard yes.

Well , thanks you for asking , @#!*% lemme see if I can answer this .
First we need a stabilizing mechanism that would carry us through the end of the current TFG mandate .{breathing space}
2/ We should approach this as a regional matter . There are 3 big regional distinctions in Somalia .
You've got the Northerners , the Midlanders {bari/mudug} and the Southerners . When you talk to a somali you can pretty much pin point him in one of these 3 categories .
In my capacity of Isaaq , I know what dhulbahante and the warsangeli want . Now whether we shall come to a long lasting agreement is another issue , but at least I know what they're saying { or what they have been saying all along , which is maintaining the territorial integrity of Somalia}.
I would encourage the majeerten {Daarood}and the Sacad{ Hawiye} to open up and talk to each other---> the goal here is to have them form a political alliance that would reflect the Isaaq+gadabursi+dhulbahante .
Then , at the same time , we should sit together the mareexan woth the D&M , somali bantu , Ogaden Abgaal, etc,e

Def of the word seismic

pertaining to, of the nature of, or caused by an earthquake or vibration of the earth, whether due to natural or artificial causes.

there are 4 big tribes in Somalia that pretty much cause everybody else a problem.
the Hawiye, the D&M, the Isaaq, ther Daarood.
Geographical disposition has massed the Isaaq together , there is nothing one can do about it .
The Daarood by an act of God are concentrated in a northern sub-branch and a southern sub -branch .
The D&M and the Hawiye both enjoy a geographical cohesion right in the middle , but are appearing to be slow in politically organising themselves .


One can either
-support the interest of his sub clan before anything else , thus favoring the establishment of sub clan fiefdoms which in my opnion would bring us backwards instead of forward .
-build on what is relatively speaking working which is the Somaliland model of a multi tribal state , knowing they would ultimately have to give up their "crazy" dream of separation .

Once we agree on that we can draft a Constitution for a Federal Republic of Somalia and bring the big tribal heads to the masjid al haram for permanent peace before Allah .

[The_Emperior5]

SSSM if you followed President Siilanyo 's foreign policy you would know he is almost there the talks with Somalia are what we were waiting for talks are in London before this month ends its not just a meeting the international community will play a mediating factor every thing is at stake now talks can fail if the Koonfurians are unreasonable, but they can be in our favor it seems sh sharif got rid of the two faroole agents. Talks can begin now SSSM we are now so close to achieve our goals talks will be in the United KINGDOM sh sharif wants to come back and this whole road map doesn't fit him well , Sharif deep inside doesn't want federalism for Somalia, we might agree on a few things we might assist his new government after august Military economically , in return he will agree with our recognition. the international community wants to solve Somalia's issue he might even ask us to pay Somalia's debts the bigger amounts there will be dialogue in our favor and it will help sh sharifs government.

[oxymoron]

SSSM if you followed President Siilanyo 's foreign policy you would know he is almost there the talks with Somalia are what we were waiting for talks are in London before this month ends its not just a meeting the international community will play a mediating factor every thing is at stake now talks can fail if the Koonfurians are unreasonable, but they can be in our favor it seems sh sharif got rid of the two faroole agents. Talks can begin now SSSM we are now so close to achieve our goals talks will be in the United KINGDOM sh sharif wants to come back and this whole road map doesn't fit him well , Sharif deep inside doesn't want federalism for Somalia, we might agree on a few things we might assist his new government after august Military economically , in return he will agree with our recognition. the international community wants to solve Somalia's issue he might even ask us to pay Somalia's debts the bigger amounts there will be dialogue in our favor and it will help sh sharifs government.

Wallahi some people need to take a good look at the mirror. War ya isku mootay? We can assist the new government militarily and economically kulaha.

[Somalistan]

Lady_Nas,

welcome back.

[SSSM]

OK we so most of us agree we need to fix Somalia first...

I think Somalia will be only fixed if it follows what somaliland has done. They should use the same political institutions and structure. Just copy paste our constitution


federal clan state will weak somalia as well as somaliland. I

The only nigga who is advocating for tribal federalism is majeerteena. Walaahi meesha Somalia always ay ka qurunto wa meeshas... Siyad bare was cool guy until SSDF started tribal politics and call for an MJ rule, that made af weeyne seek a MOD alliance against the MJ and rest of story is known. Now history is repeating itself and majeerteeniya is spoiling somali politics with this tribal federal nonsense.

So here is the action plan:

* Mujahidiinta Safka hore divide puntland to three regions
* Take bosaso as part of Sanag, more money for war
* be part of african troop, call for jihad against shabab
* make somalia adopt Somaliland Constitution
* when somalia is fixed, take rest of puntland, seek to make all harti part of somaliland.
* nogotiate on ictiraf, puntland on table, a referendum in harti regions to choose somaliland or somalia.

That is the SNM style of getting recognition

[Mondey]

There is no recognition without approval of Xamar, and we will not do that.

Somaliland has two options.. keep isolating itself for unknown period of time, or fully participate and utilize their resources as a part of decentralized Somalia and get huge benefits. SL has an advantage that is tfg and Shariif view it (in contrast to reality) as one block and they don't separate the eastern regions from the central ones but it will not last for long.

[ZubeirAwal]

Monday it is a hard true fact that the SL gov government is superior then the TFG, their system, the bank of SL and its shillings, everything, so if SL ever united with Somalia the head of state of The Somali Republic shall be Somaliland.
Reasons being that the people of SL more educated then the youth in xamar, voted in elections wheras their is no elections in xamar, TFG was brought in by the UN and USA and so forth. Sheikh Dalxiis is a joke whereas the SL gov actually do make progress and work for its people.

[Khalid Ali]

SSSm Saaxib you seeing it all wrong the future of Somalia depends on how its governed we will always border the semi autonomous region of Puntland, what Somalilanders need to figure our is how the clan structure in Somalia works see the Koonfurians are not thinking rationally, in an ideal world it would be perfect all the resources of Somalia will be shared between the koonfurians, but they are emotionally attached to Somaliland , since the day they were born in 1960 we were there to hold their hand. Now what is our way of solving this issue there will be talks between Somaliland and Somalia , the west wants to use Somaliands model to solve Somalia problems but there is a catch they do not know we can be the mediating factor for the Koonfurians, but certain criteria must be met before that . you don't need to go to war with Puntland other than the border dispute there is no real reason to invade Somalia. The Politicians in Somalia the one in Mogadishu in particularly need our assistance when it comes to policing filling the vacuum when the Alshabaab are cleaned. The Somaliland and Somalia issue will not even reach a referendum the agreement will come to dissolve the union officially and the so called parliament in xamar will vote for it viola its done. It depends how the negotiations go will we support a centralized state for Somalia or not, or qabil federalism, both are a win win situation for Somaliland with qabiil federalism Somalia will be weak for ever which is good if we don't agree with Somalia politically on living side by side as two nation in the long term. A centralized state is also good which will create more hostility between Puntland and the rest of southern Somalis, which is also positive for us. Qabil federalism lose federal states is mostly supported by igad Ethiopia and Kenya, why do you think faroole said he wants to be there if somaliland and somalia are talking he knows when somaliland officially is gone he has no leg to stand on the south of the country has no interest in qabil federalism,now he uses Somaliland as an example saying i am Puntland they are Somaliland telling them Somaliland wants political leverage from Mogadisho . We have no interest in ruling Somalia but he does his future is dependeds on it. Negotiations will be soon in London, President Siilaanyo's government is playing double diplomacy securing their interest with the international community continue with the democratization process securing international investors , using the Somaliland development corporation, and in the mean time talking with Somalia while the international community is present and is playing a mediating factor, we are almost there guys

[oxymoron]

SSSm Saaxib you seeing it all wrong the future of Somalia depends on how its governed we will always border the semi autonomous region of Puntland, what Somalilanders need to figure our is how the clan structure in Somalia works see the Koonfurians are not thinking rationally, in an ideal world it would be perfect all the resources of Somalia will be shared between the koonfurians, but they are emotionally attached to Somaliland , since the day they were born in 1960 we were there to hold their hand. Now what is our way of solving this issue there will be talks between Somaliland and Somalia , the west wants to use Somaliands model to solve Somalia problems but there is a catch they do not know we can be the mediating factor for the Koonfurians, but certain criteria must be met before that . you don't need to go to war with Puntland other than the border dispute there is no real reason to invade Somalia. The Politicians in Somalia the one in Mogadishu in particularly need our assistance when it comes to policing filling the vacuum when the Alshabaab are cleaned. The Somaliland and Somalia issue will not even reach a referendum the agreement will come to dissolve the union officially and the so called parliament in xamar will vote for it viola its done. It depends how the negotiations go will we support a centralized state for Somalia or not, or qabil federalism, both are a win win situation for Somaliland with qabiil federalism Somalia will be weak for ever which is good if we don't agree with Somalia politically on living side by side as two nation in the long term. A centralized state is also good which will create more hostility between Puntland and the rest of southern Somalis, which is also positive for us. Qabil federalism lose federal states is mostly supported by igad Ethiopia and Kenya, why do you think faroole said he wants to be there if somaliland and somalia are talking he knows when somaliland officially is gone he has no leg to stand on the south of the country has no interest in qabil federalism,now he uses Somaliland as an example saying i am Puntland they are Somaliland telling them Somaliland wants political leverage from Mogadisho . We have no interest in ruling Somalia but he does his future is dependeds on it. Negotiations will be soon in London, President Siilaanyo's government is playing double diplomacy securing their interest with the international community continue with the democratization process securing international investors , using the Somaliland development corporation, and in the mean time talking with Somalia while the international community is present and is playing a mediating factor, we are almost there guys

Your president's name is S!!l-yaanyo your people smell like yaanyo, and your political abilities is less than a yaanyo itself.

General Morgan wants his villa back and Xamar will do everything in it's power to get the General villa back.