Meles Zenewi's statements

[The`Republic]

What do you think about it? I don't know whether to be happy or mistrustful wallahi.

The reasons for being happy:

1. Al Shabaab is destroyed.
2. Political system is built.
3. A pathway to national participation becomes viable.
4. We join the network of the "free" regions and outside world.


The reasons to be mistrustful:

1. He is Meles Zenewi.
2. They are Ethiopia.

What say you?

[fighter]

Which is the lesser of two evils? Ethiopia or Al-Shabab?

[Eaglehawk]

Coming from interest paced perspective, I welcome it
bbarre move to ceelwaaq follows a synchronised activity that is part of the ethiopian current statement

Meles zanawi has the right calculation and information about kismaayo
My only problem is; he is wearing anti ogadeen glasses which I can never condone which needs to be clarified and shown that ogadeen and melez interest have a practical common interest instead of antagonistic collision when it comes to ksimaayo

[fighter]

Eaglehawk,

I am not disputing your claims whatsoever. But please bring in sources and evidences and facts that do not have spelling or grammatical errors. It's very unprofessional. Also, make sure the sources are from reputable organizations or individuals like the BBC for instance.

[SahanGalbeed]

Good topic

[grandpakhalif]

Coming from interest paced perspective, I welcome it
bbarre move to ceelwaaq follows a synchronised activity that is part of the ethiopian current statement

Meles zanawi has the right calculation and information about kismaayo
My only problem is; he is wearing anti ogadeen glasses which I can never condone which needs to be clarified and shown that ogadeen and melez interest have a practical common interest instead of antagonistic collision when it comes to ksimaayo

Meles Zenawi will clear out Al shabab and due the heavy duty and than Barre and other coalition forces can seize Kismaayo and create a pseudo-administration until the transitory period is over. Just as it happened in baidoa, the clan elders, aqoonyahanta will have a shir in which the ethiopian government shall be notified. AMISOM shall than replace ethiopian soldiers eventually and peace shall reign.

[Eaglehawk]

Coming from interest paced perspective, I welcome it
bbarre move to ceelwaaq follows a synchronised activity that is part of the ethiopian current statement

Meles zanawi has the right calculation and information about kismaayo
My only problem is; he is wearing anti ogadeen glasses which I can never condone which needs to be clarified and shown that ogadeen and melez interest have a practical common interest instead of antagonistic collision when it comes to ksimaayo

Meles Zenawi will clear out Al shabab and due the heavy duty and than Barre and other coalition forces can seize Kismaayo and create a pseudo-administration until the transitory period is over. Just as it happened in baidoa, the clan elders, aqoonyahanta will have a shir in which the ethiopian government shall be notified. AMISOM shall than replace ethiopian soldiers eventually and peace shall reign.

We will clear al shabab our self, the Ethiopians are taking supportive role and maintaining a secure supply line for our troops, just like they did when we started our operation against al shabab in gedo

The American will be giving air support while the kenyas wiil be creating a no go area for al shabab on the border area
We have enough man power and military capability to liberate kismaayo 5 times over, it’s just that we don`t want to over use our resources because those resources are needed in second stage which is law and order and state building.

Recent announcement of ahlu sunah that they wiil be deploying forces to baydhabo from gedo shows you our millitry capability

[grandpakhalif]

Eaglehawk I appreciate your insight but it will be tough handling security after kismaayo is secured. suicide bombings, ieds and many other guirella attacks performed by Al shabab may pose a security risk. AMISOM is essential in holding the city.

[The`Republic]

Which is the lesser of two evils? Ethiopia or Al-Shabab?

Fighter, in this case I think Ethiopia is the lesser of two evils. As for Eagle's source, it is an actual IGAD memorandum signed in Addis between Ethiopia and Kenya. I have seen the full text before.

[The`Republic]

Eagle, I never actually thought that Barre Hiiraale's recent move from Dollow was a plan to take criticism away from the move Zenewi is saying is going towards Kismaayo. This scenario actually puts things in perspective.

[The`Republic]

Eaglehawk I appreciate your insight but it will be tough handling security after kismaayo is secured. suicide bombings, ieds and many other guirella attacks performed by Al shabab may pose a security risk. AMISOM is essential in holding the city.

Essential and necessary. Marehan can go against other clans but we cannot go against Al Shabaab. No clan can because Marehan and every other clan have Al Shabaab in them. They are like a fifth column. I don't know why Eaglehawk is so boastful and is not realizing this reality. He is thinking symmetrically in Al Shabaab's asymmetrical strategy.

Mogadishu was pacified not by a clan but by AMISOM and they continue to hold in partnership with the key groups. Kismaayo should and will be the same. Sade shouldn't try to hold it against Shabaab (leave to AMISOM) but use their resources on putting down clan insurrection and setting up a working system for Jubbaland.

[fighter]

Which is the lesser of two evils? Ethiopia or Al-Shabab?

Fighter, in this case I think Ethiopia is the lesser of two evils. As for Eagle's source, it is an actual IGAD memorandum signed in Addis between Ethiopia and Kenya. I have seen the full text before.

Then you should be estatic. Understand that Ethiopia's involvement in Somalia would be minimal and short lived when compared to the case of Al-Shabab.

We all know the relationship Somalis have with Ethiopia but I am sure that the average person in Kismayo or anywhere in Somalia for that matter would tolerate the Ethiopians/others considering the problems they are facing right now

[The`Republic]

I am not ecstatic because I don't trust Ethiopia, but I think something has to give. At least something new should be tried and this eventual move might lead to something tangible.

Imagine a budding Jubbaland state with actual recognition soon and ruled from the land.

[Advo]

This is a horrible move .

[Eaglehawk]

Eaglehawk I appreciate your insight but it will be tough handling security after kismaayo is secured. suicide bombings, ieds and many other guirella attacks performed by Al shabab may pose a security risk. AMISOM is essential in holding the city.

Essential and necessary. Marehan can go against other clans but we cannot go against Al Shabaab. No clan can because Marehan and every other clan have Al Shabaab in them. They are like a fifth column. I don't know why Eaglehawk is so boastful and is not realizing this reality. He is thinking symmetrically in Al Shabaab's asymmetrical strategy.

Mogadishu was pacified not by a clan but by AMISOM and they continue to hold in partnership with the key groups. Kismaayo should and will be the same. Sade shouldn't try to hold it against Shabaab (leave to AMISOM) but use their resources on putting down clan insurrection and setting up a working system for Jubbaland.

voltage

I am looking al shabab through a process which is like russian dole
the al shabab in kismaayo are not ver militristic compared to the xamar one and baydhabo one, their role has always been managment and supportive role

al shabab milltry is a alliance of clan militias masquerading as common al shabab forces
You only have look at al shabab commander’s previous role and history to know, that if push comes to shove their loyalty is based upon self-preservation rather than dying for al shabab

Look at a guy like cabdiraxman fillow he has 3 interests which are: 1 securing talxe position in low juba, 2 maintaining marexaan interest in kismaayo and 3 maintaining equilibrium with al shabab for the moment

There is a difference between al shabab xamar and al shabab kismaayo which is that al shabab in xamar is nothing more than inter hawiye war with political undertone between dahir aways and sheik sharif and murursade vs hiraab, they are all riding the al shabab wagon just like fillow but the difference is fillow has no political objective so him switching is not a problem, the guys in xamar are fighting to death because of religious convictions(hardcore section) and political aspiration( anti federalism)

Our only hardcore guy is turki and turki( daarood section of al shabab) has shown great ability to avoid military stalemate, they tend to give up if they lose Strategically
The al shabab in gedo for that matter are more vicious but that has some clan undertone
The only people that would make kismaayo like xamar would be if gaaljecel and sheeqaal were dissatisfied but sheeqal is really mad at hawiye now even proclaiming recently that they don`t want to take their share in government under hawiye name.

Gaaljecel is mad at sharifs hiraan policy what you are seeing is slowly harmonisation of low juba affairs like dooxada juba times but now we have ogaden with us
kismaayo will fall like baydhabo

Who is going to throw the bombs?