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Nuclear-free Japan

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After multiple nuclear meltdowns, Japan has decided to go nuclear free, and has since been for the majority of May. 50 plants shutdown in total.

Pressure to accept oil and gas imports is obvious.
When Obama met with Noda in April, the White House released a fact sheet on the U.S.-Japan Cooperative Initiative, which launched three new programs in the area of “clean energy” that employs both public/private development and deployment of clean energy technologies. In his remarks at their joint press conference, Obama thanked Prime Minister Noda for updating him on his “reform efforts liberalizing trade and playing a leading role in Asia Pacific's economy,” and for Japan’s continued interest in joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). In addition Obama added, “that their shared vision also calls for the strengthening of energy cooperation, and discussed expanding liquid natural gas (LNG) exports from the United States to Japan.”
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Bad idea.

Nuclear power is clean and cheap. The stigma that the world has against nuclear power should stop. This isn't 30-40 years ago when there were practically no safety standards that had to be followed. Chernobyl will never happen again and Japan wasn't even close to experiencing a Chernobyl-like incident.
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fighter wrote:Bad idea.

Nuclear power is clean and cheap. The stigma that the world has against nuclear power should stop. This isn't 30-40 years ago when there were practically no safety standards that had to be followed. Chernobyl will never happen again and Japan wasn't even close to experiencing a Chernobyl-like incident.
When it comes to energies, nuclear power is a dinosaur. 3 reactors have melted down. Although nuclear power might seem like the best option of the obvious choices, it is an unquestionable danger. There are better but less profitable options.

Hopefully Japan will look to renewable, new, and perhaps even free energies. :up:
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fighter wrote:Bad idea.

Nuclear power is clean and cheap. The stigma that the world has against nuclear power should stop. This isn't 30-40 years ago when there were practically no safety standards that had to be followed. Chernobyl will never happen again and Japan wasn't even close to experiencing a Chernobyl-like incident.

Where Japan is located plays a role in their decision, though. Nature may not be as kind next time there's a quake.

Also, why not? There are better and safer alternatives. Look @ Germany... Set the world record yesterday by having half of its homes run on solar. Japan has the potential to beat that within years. :up:
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Well it's about time, may be now Japan will stop dumping nuclear waste on our coasts.
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If renewables are sought, more likely than not Japan will move toward geothermals and tidal.

However, if free energy ever becomes a viable point of discussion in Japanese academia, I think we can safely say it will be of benefit for us all.
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I support the use of solar power and other cleaner and safer alternatives of energy. But we are at the initial stages when it comes to these alternatives. Also, its really really expensive to install wind turbines and solar panels.

I read somewhere before that the Obama administration planned to put solar panels on top of the White House and use that as their sole source of energy. It was later reported that it would take more than 100 years for the White House to recoup their investment of installing the solar panels.

I support alternatives but can these alternatives be regarded as an alternative source of energy when they can't be considered an alternative considering how costly they are?

But I guess a rich country like Japan can afford it and like you said, Japan needs it due to its history of having earthquakes.
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There are various forms of converting solar energy, including the conventional photovoltaic panels/cells. I think the Spanish method is best; reflection and concentration. IMO, solar isn't the answer and never will be, neither are turbines. Magnetic energy is where the focus should be.

As to the "whys" behind the switch from nuclear, I think there could be many worthy speculations.
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fighter wrote:Bad idea.

Nuclear power is clean and cheap. The stigma that the world has against nuclear power should stop. This isn't 30-40 years ago when there were practically no safety standards that had to be followed. Chernobyl will never happen again and Japan wasn't even close to experiencing a Chernobyl-like incident.
What the hell news have you been watching? Japan is secretly evacuating its entire eastern shore (40 million people) to China and Russia, and is aggressively trying to redraw borders from old wars and even buy land outright. The country's nuclear headache is just beginning, the island itself will be one giant Chernobyl by the end of this saga---totally uninhabitable.

And as for them going nuclear-free; they've lost their country and they know they are going to be a nation of Gypsies soon, they are screwed and cannot afford alternatives whatsoever. It will take then centuries to rebuild somewhere else.
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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:
fighter wrote:Bad idea.

Nuclear power is clean and cheap. The stigma that the world has against nuclear power should stop. This isn't 30-40 years ago when there were practically no safety standards that had to be followed. Chernobyl will never happen again and Japan wasn't even close to experiencing a Chernobyl-like incident.
What the hell news have you been watching? Japan is secretly evacuating its entire eastern shore (40 million people) to China and Russia, and is aggressively trying to redraw borders from old wars and even buy land outright. The country's nuclear headache is just beginning, the island itself will be one giant Chernobyl by the end of this saga---totally uninhabitable.

And as for them going nuclear-free; they've lost their country and they know they are going to be a nation of Gypsies soon, they are screwed and cannot afford alternatives whatsoever. It will take then centuries to rebuild somewhere else.
Lovely optimism. But yes, most of that is true.
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Monk,

We are dealing with the clever Japanese here. They can build another Tokyo in a few months.
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fighter wrote:Monk,

We are dealing with the clever Japanese here. They can build another Tokyo in a few months.
With what though? You need money to make money. They used to trade income from their their Nintendos and Toyotas for oil, uranium, industrial metals, and everything else that their diseased little island didn't have. They need money to rebuild those soon-to-be-hazardous factories, and knowing the timetable of repaying and how much money they already owe (highest per capita debt on earth BTW), no one is going to give them loans. The Arabs got loans because everyone knew they would pay back in oil the next day, but the Japs have nothing to offer if everything at home is defunct. The Japs are literally Gypsies now and everyone knows it; no one is going to give them shit. China and Russia will split their professional class like how the Americans and Soviets split the Germans, and someone will be charitable enough to keep the rest for cheap industrial/work purposes.

That's the problem; they're fucked. Completely. No amount of intelligence will make up for someone who is homeless and unable to repay a simple debt. All the Asian countries are screwed that way; no natural wealth and total reliance on recently-learned skills to survive - it's like modern day prostitution; at some point the hoe will break a leg and when that happens her career is over. These Asians and their hyper-corporatized manufacturing based economies were at the mercy of those precious skills, which are useless if they cannot stand on their own without the world buying their shit. These little chinky niggers can't even live off their own land, they even ate all their fish.
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Alphanumeric wrote:There are various forms of converting solar energy, including the conventional photovoltaic panels/cells. I think the Spanish method is best; reflection and concentration. IMO, solar isn't the answer and never will be, neither are turbines. Magnetic energy is where the focus should be.

As to the "whys" behind the switch from nuclear, I think there could be many worthy speculations.

Magnetic energy?! I've never heard of this being used as a renewable energy. I googled it and I'm yet to find an application where it can be used commercially.
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Monk,

I guess your pessimism is justified. I recall hearing that the Bank of Japan, at the time of the tsunami-earthquake, flooded the Japanese economy with $200 billion US (around that figure) for liquidity purposes. That was a bit excessive.

You know, a few of these Asian countries, especially South Korea, were given "economic aid" by the United States to start off their industries over 50 years ago and it is why certain very large companies from Korea exist today. You are right about the Asian nations. Japan and the others have 0 natural resources and with debt 200-250% higher than their annual GDP, it isn't good news.
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blackstars25 wrote:
Alphanumeric wrote:There are various forms of converting solar energy, including the conventional photovoltaic panels/cells. I think the Spanish method is best; reflection and concentration. IMO, solar isn't the answer and never will be, neither are turbines. Magnetic energy is where the focus should be.

As to the "whys" behind the switch from nuclear, I think there could be many worthy speculations.

Magnetic energy?! I've never heard of this being used as a renewable energy. I googled it and I'm yet to find an application where it can be used commercially.
Alphanumeric wrote:If renewables are sought, more likely than not Japan will move toward geothermals and tidal.

However, if free energy ever becomes a viable point of discussion in Japanese academia, I think we can safely say it will be of benefit for us all.
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