A picture of alleged Al Shabab prisoners.

[The`Republic]

Remember these are "alleged" suspects. Looking at this picture I immediately wondered what structures are in place to hold corrupt officials and people in authority whether a police officer, a commander, a minister, or any other form of official accountable? We don't know if these people or any other people accused of being Al Shabaab fighters are actually Al Shabaab; who and what makes sure that there is justice and accountability for the average Somali in the face of the law?


Blind-folded suspected al-Shabaab men who were arrested during a search operation in Ealsha Biyaha, 28km north of Mogadishu, Somalia, sit in the back of a pickup truck before they were taken to Mogadishu for interrogation Saturday, June 2, 2012. (AP Photo/Farah Abdi Warsameh)

[AbdiWahab252]

Shabab have no human rights. Lets treat them how they treated those they saw as suspects working against them. The TFG & Sharif Ahmed are WAY TOO SOFT on AS.

[The`Republic]

I feel like making a Ven Diagram for you. There are two groups here and a group in the middle.

1. Al Shabaab
2. TFG

3. Somalis

Al Shabaab is a terrorist outfit and we both agree there is no holding them accountable. However, the Somali government should be held accountable and deserves to be held accountable as the legitimate representative of the Somali people.

Your response to my post already assumes any and all suspects are already guilty? What kind of faulty logic is that? Is that even logic? Is being labeled "Al Shabaab" the only criteria for spending time in a dungeon to be tortured mercilessly. Seriously, in 2012, simply being accused is the only criteria to be judged and sentenced?

You remind me why third world societies are a perpetual failure.

[Alphanumeric]

A reasonable inquiry.

[AbdiWahab252]

Republic,

Civilians get caught up in these things. I am sure there will be investigations and those who are innocent will be released. Look at the US, the most advanced country in the world had many innocents locked up and processed contrary to US law and in the end, the innocents were freed. ANd that is FIRST WORLD

[The`Republic]

There was a momentary lapse of judgement by an overzealous ideologically driven administration following a confounding moment. But the thing about their system is, it is greater than personalities or administrations. As you see, eventually the system refluxed and threw up that earlier judgement.

Please don't compare that to Somalis who have never known institutions that allowed them to hold their governments accountable. Considering this is virtually a new start at Somali governance, will we be of the past or will we chart a strong system with well balanced institutions designed to bring the law above people, personalities, or administrations.

[nomadicwarlord]

There is nothing inhumane about that picture. The TFG is up against a bunch of lunatics who have no conscience. Post pictures of those individuals being tortured then we can sympathize with them. Until then, dump pig intestines in all those dungeons (J/K). If the judicial system wasn't perfect to begin with, what makes you think it will be today

Voltage - Do you remember the story that transpired few weeks ago about a clan militia freeing suspects from a jail, what's your take on that?

[The`Republic]

Nomadic-

There is no accountability in Somalia. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm not even talking about Al Shabaab. I follow a school of philosophy that says I would rather keep one innocent person out of prison than convict two criminals. Innocent until proven guilty. Both you and Abdiwahab, as I have observed from you, are so ideologically driven you have no principles really in the matter of justice. You are quite happy to suspend whatever morality you have as long as the mere word "Al Shabaab" is in the picture.

My question does not concern Al Shabab, my question concerns alleged suspects. I see a truck load of alleged suspects and immediately my concern is their rights in the face of law and the accountability they old over their accusers. After all, it could be that one of those men was simply the target of a local authority figure and found himself as part of the accused. What about that individual's rights?

With regards to the clan militia freeing the suspects, my concern for them is fully supported by this topic. I am not a fan of government overreach and in an area where I believe there is zero justice and accountability, I believe there is a right to defend. Remember "giver me liberty or give me death?" This was a response I gave you in that topic:

Government and law and order exist when you have justice. Without justice there is no institution of government so those yapping about deligimitization of state control, tyranny is never something to respect but something to respond with similar force

[The`Republic]

How confounding. I am a leftist liberal, social democrat, Muslim, libertarian.

[Alshabaibe]

As far as I'm concerned the TFG have committed more crimes against humanity. Total let down

[The`Republic]

Troll, please go.

[D-Runner]

The sight of a human being blind-folded shocks you I see... sounds like you've never seen a clip from one those shabab be-heading's alleged or otherwise, prisoners who all met their end by the knife. It's war, blind-folding your suspects in a time of uncertainty is always taken serious so your position isn't compromised when their released back in public.

Voltage, in time of war liberals should sit tight and aid the nurses or do something similar like in the medical profession lol ... something you already dig I assume. Leave the rules of engagement in today's war-zones with those more experienced.

[nomadicwarlord]

Nomadic-
There is no accountability in Somalia. Why is that so hard to understand? I'm not even talking about Al Shabaab. I follow a school of philosophy that says I would rather keep one innocent person out of prison than convict two criminals. Innocent until proven guilty. Both you and Abdiwahab, as I have observed from you, are so ideologically driven you have no principles really in the matter of justice. You are quite happy to suspend whatever morality you have as long as the mere word "Al Shabaab" is in the picture.

My question does not concern Al Shabab, my question concerns alleged suspects. I see a truck load of alleged suspects and immediately my concern is their rights in the face of law and the accountability they old over their accusers. After all, it could be that one of those men was simply the target of a local authority figure and found himself as part of the accused. What about that individual's rights?

With regards to the clan militia freeing the suspects, my concern for them is fully supported by this topic. I am not a fan of government overreach and in an area where I believe there is zero justice and accountability, I believe there is a right to defend. Remember "giver me liberty or give me death?" This was a response I gave you in that topic:

Government and law and order exist when you have justice. Without justice there is no institution of government so those yapping about deligimitization of state control, tyranny is never something to respect but something to respond with similar force

Accountability and Somalia don't go hand in hand, we all agree Bro. My reaction on that picture is typical of my usual sentiments toward Al-Shabaab members, supporters or in this case the alleged. You probably missed it, I made a similar topic a week ago, showing a different picture of those alleged members. Mocking Al-Shabaab is what I do It will be disturbing to find out that some of those "alleged" members ended up being innocent. And it is wrong if the innocent were systematically targeted by the local TFG officials. The system of checks and balances is absent in Somalia and it will take years or even decades before due process is applied. So in this case, will you be perfectly fine with if an armed group freed the alleged Al-Shabaab members just because the TFG is incompetent and has zero accountability?

How confounding. I am a leftist liberal, social democrat, Muslim, libertarian.

[eliteSomali]

Shabab have no human rights. Lets treat them how they treated those they saw as suspects working against them. The TFG & Sharif Ahmed are WAY TOO SOFT on AS.

Alshabab lack the basic elements that make one a human. These niggas should be slowly tortured until they die.