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Phase II of Jubbaland State formation: US envoy, etc speak

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The Jubbaland technical committee (Phase II) nominated by the signatories of the IGAD/AU Jubbaland Conference (Phase I) have begun work to draft the state which will be built on the foundations of the agreed upon proposal. This technical committee then will have ratification conference which will take place either in the cities of Dollow, Gedo or Afmadoow, Lower Jubba (Phase III) followed shortly by elections of top leaders (IV).

Here was the successful conclusion of Phase I ... viewtopic.php?f=250&t=309146

At the opening of the technical committee phase II of Jubbaland State formation, the American envoy to Somalia as well as various international representatives spoke specifically about the importance of this process and this state for the future of Somalia and the transition process.

As phase II has just begun, news is just filtering in.
Warbixin ku sabsan Furitaanki Shirka Maamul usameynta Jubboyinka iyo Gedo oo faafahsan.

Waxaa Xurunti lagu soo dhisay Dowlada kmg ah ee Somalia ee Inbagaati ee duleedka Magalada Nairobi ka furmay Shir mudo soconaya kaasoo ay ka qaybgalayaan 10 xubnood oo lagu magacaabay Gudi Farsamo kuwaas oo wada gaari doono qodobada saldhiga u noqon doona dhismaha Maamulka Jubbaland.

Furitaanka shirkaas ayaa waxaa ka soo qayb galay Saxiixeyaasha Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo iyo Safiiro ka socda wadamada Mareykanka iyo EU da iyo Ururo Calami ah.

Shirkaan ayaa waxaa uu ku bilowday khudbado ay soo jeediyeen qaar ka mid ah saxiixeyaasha Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo waxana ka mid aha dadka khudbadaha ka jeediyay Gudomiyaha Raskambooni Sh. Axmed Madoobe Gudomiyaha Ahlusunna Sh. Maxamed Aw-libaax Prof Gandi Gen Fartaag.

Dhamaan Masuliyinta kor ku xusan waxaay soo dhaweyeen Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo waxaayna ku baqeen in la sii laba jibaaro dadaalada lagu doonayo in dhidibada logu taago Maamul salbalaaran oo ay yeeshaan Gobolada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo waxaayna ugu baqeen shacabka Jubbaland in ay u diyaargarobaan Dowlad goboleed buuxda oo ku soo wajahan Jubboyinka iyo Gedo .

Sido kale Waxaa furitaanki Shirkaasi ka hadlay Safiirka Mareykanka Wakiilo ka socday EU iyo Wakiilo ka socda Urur Goboleedka IGAAD.

Safiirka Mareykanka oo Khudbad aad u dheer dhinacyo badana tabanaysay ka soo jeediyay ayaa waxaan idinka soo qadayna nuxurka khudbadaaso.

Safiirka ayaa ugu horeeyn si weyn u soo dhaweyay Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo waxana uu shegay in Dowlada Mareykanka ee uu wakiilka ka yahay ay ka go,antahay in dhidibada lotaago Maamulka Jubbaland safiirka oo hadlkiisa siiwata ayaa waxaa uu yiri Dhismaha Jubbland ma ahan mid anfacaya kaliyah reer Jubbaland ee waxaa uu tiir dhexaad u yahay Nabad ka dhalata Somalia iyo daganan ay helaan Wadamada Dariska la ah Somali.

Midowga Yurup iyo Urur Goboleedka Igaad ayaa ayaguna si isku mid ah u so dhaweyay Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo iyo in dhidibada lo taago Maamul Salbalaraan oo ka hergala Jubboyinka Iyo Gedo.

Intaasi ka dib waxaa si rasmi ah u furmay Shirki Gudigi Farsamda ee 10 ka kobnaa waxana goobti shirka ka soo baxay dhamaan Saxiixeyaashi iyo waliba wufuudi Calamiga ahayd ee ka qayb galaysay Furitaanka Shirka.

Xaajo markay halkaas marayso ayaa waxaa Kulan Albaabada ay u xiran yihiin Holl kale oo isla dhismihi ka tirsan ku yeeshay Saxiixeyaasha Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo iyo Safiirka Mareykanka Wakiilo ka socda EU iyo Urur Goboleedka IGAAD Shirkaas oo ay Saxaafadu dibad joog ka ahayd ayaan la aqoon waxaa loga wada hadlay balse qodobadi ka so baxay Shirkaas ayaa waxaa ugu weyna oo ay saxaafadu heshay in Saxiixeyaasha Geedisocodka Nabada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo iyo Safiirka Mareykanka Wakiilo ka socda Midowga Yurup iyo Urur Goboleedka Igaad ay malinta Khamista u anbabaxaan Magaalada Muqdisho waxaayna kulan khaas ah la yeelan doonan Madaxweynaha Dowlada kmg ah ee Somalia Sh.Shariif.

Ma cada ila iyo hada waxaa ay ka wadahadlayaan dhinacyadaasi iyo Madaxweyne Shariif balse dadka Saadaaliya Siyaasada Somalia ayaa waxaay ku cabireen Socdaalkan mid Sh. Shariif loga soo saxiixaayo Aqonsiga Dowlad Goboleedka Jubbaland madaaba Dorashada Madaxweynaha Jubbaland iyo iyo mida Fadaraalka ay kala horeyaan wax ka yar 5 malmood taas oo dib u dhac ku keni karta Aqonsiga.

Dhanaca kale Shirka Gudiga Farsamada uga Furmay Duleedka Nairobi ayaa waxaa uu socon doono 8 malmood waxana ugu weyn qodobada laga filayo in ay Iclamiyaan Shirweyne guud oo ka dhacaya gudaha Somalia qaas ahaan Gobolada Jubboyinka iyo Gedo Shirkaas ayaa waxaa uu ka dhici doona Maagaloyinka Afmadow ama Doolow midood ee Goboloda Jubbada hoose iyo Gedo.

Ugu danbeyn Furitaanka Shirka Gudiga Farsamada iyo Shirarki kale ee Sida hoose lo qatay ayaa dhamantood waxaay ku soo dhamadeen sidi logu tala galay.
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Jubbaland :stylin: :som: :stylin:


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I just wish this jubaland thing would actually lift of, as early as 2000 we have been hearing about "jubaland" god just declare it a state, get the map, get recognized as a state, why is it taking so long to get this whole jubaland thing of the ground. :?
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the American envoy to Somalia as well as various international representatives spoke specifically about the importance of this process and this state for the future of Somalia and the transition process.
Oh so the US envoy to Somalia spoke about the importance of another daarood ONLY state in southern Somalia ?

I think if that is the case , he should be relieved he doesn't know what the fuc,k he is getting himself into.
If this thing becomes reality as it is outlined { a marehan /ogaden} state , that in itself should indicate to Somaliland what are the clear intentions here .{ goodbye in other words}

Somalis do not need sharia , what the somalis need is EQUALITY between the tribes , all tribes .
It's like being in a classroom where the most failing student not only holds up the whole class but ultimately gets all the rewards , get the FU<CK out of here !!!
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Masha Allah, viva JubbaLand. :som: :up:
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I would have no objection if the Marehan /Ogaden Daarod could

Either
1/ Fight and liberate the land they claim is theirs


or

2/ incorporate those who they really stole the land from { Bantus } at the highest level

As usual they want somebody else to do the work for them :lol: be it Kenya , Ethiopia , the US if they could claim God they would prolly say Allah is working for them also
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Sahan, what is your problem akhii?

This is not a "Darod" state but the fact is Darod are the majority and have been the majority as far back as colonial literature even records. The same Bantu you are talking about were brought by the Italians to farm the farms and plantations nomadic Somalis would not but even so they are citizens and deserve their rights.

But the fact of the matter is the majority population is Darod, the overwhelming majority of districts are Darod, the armed groups are Darod, the evolutionary history of the land has been an armed Darod contest, and even the Shabaab are allied to certain Darod sub-clans to stay in power.

In every conflict resolution, you start at the biggest problem and then go to the minor ones. The biggest problem is between Darod clans, the minor ones are between the Darod clan and other minority clans.

I am glad you as a national of a foreign state (Somaliland---as you say) are that impassioned discussing the internal affairs of the Somali Republic but brother more logic and reason would do you good and remove the bias from your rhetoric as well.
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SahanGalbeed wrote: Oh so the US envoy to Somalia spoke about the importance of another daarood ONLY state in southern Somalia ?

I think if that is the case , he should be relieved he doesn't know what the fuc,k he is getting himself into.
If this thing becomes reality as it is outlined { a marehan /ogaden} state , that in itself should indicate to Somaliland what are the clear intentions here .{ goodbye in other words}

Somalis do not need sharia , what the somalis need is EQUALITY between the tribes , all tribes .
It's like being in a classroom where the most failing student not only holds up the whole class but ultimately gets all the rewards , get the FU<CK out of here !!!
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Its a perfect storm just like 1991:

1. Darood Minority vs. the Majority: Bantu, Hawiye, Digil Mirifle & Bajunis.

2. Just like 1991, the Darood are backed by the Kenyans and instead of General Maxamud Chief of the Army its Yusuf Haji leading the Kenyan charge.


The wild card is Kismayo. How will the Darood agree among themselves on how to administer it ? They are deeply divided and have competing designs for Kismayo.

IGAD may try to force a lackey Darood backed Jubbaland regime but will fail in the long term. A minority can not rule over a majority especially one that is mobilized.
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Jubbaland population is about 2 million people, GEDO alone had over 590,000 IN 1994.

1.7 million is at the least Darood population overall, the 300,000 should be thankful an administration would be put in place and their rights will be protected.

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In every conflict resolution, you start at the biggest problem and then go to the minor ones. The biggest problem is between Darod clans, the minor ones are between the Darod clan and other minority clans.
This is NOT actually how it is done . When you are trying to build a viable state you bring EVERYBODY to the table .
To tell you the truth , the majority of Somalis are NOT daarood . Whether you are trying to avoid a conflict between the marehan daarood and the Ogaden daarood and the harti daarood is commendable . I have said here once , somebody should stand between these dooros before they massacre each other , I am sure you all remember . What's the rebuttal I have gotten ? Haven't you in Somaliland at one point had a problem between yourselves in the early 1990's ? Yes it is true . However when we were building Somaliland , every tribe that lives in Somaliland from the Issa to the Gadabursi to the northen daarod were invited . I see this a deceptive daarood attempt to essentially annex that region . It is unacceptable . I don't care if Kenya , Ethiopia or even America is suporting you , this is not going to work .

If you were to put up a fight , free the land , burn every al shabaab in the area , maybe we woulda said , " man they're native to the region , lost a number of men , they desserve it "
None of that . You 've sold your soul to the kikuyus who in turn went crying to the Americans and you wanna take over a region that historically most Somalis KNOW is not yours alone , and now you are trying to convince us of the legitimacy of your case because Kenya or the American envoy is supposedly backing you ?
You are out of your mind ! It is , on another point , because of your greed and tribal delusion that al shabaab has been able to get a hold of that region , but that's another story for another day .
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voltage and advo

notice how jubaland invokes enmity in people who don`t share a border with jubaland nor does jubaland pose a military treat to their interest, abdiwahab and sahangalbeed using jareerta as excuse :lol: :lol: ninku gabayay mahi yiri
" kaama dego, daayin abidkaaye
Intaad dunida nooshahay anunbaa, duudka kaa rarane
Dacay adag waxaan kuugu xidhay, daalinbaad tahaye”

After having analysed their mind-set, I have come to the conclusion that they view jubaland as an existential threat, that can tip the balance of power among the somalis( they want keep jubaland disadvantaged so that they can reap the fruits that come with statehood), they view jubaland like Europeans views germany, they view jubaland as a natural hegemon that needs to be subdued and preferably never established

I believe the international community has put forward a creditable argument why there is a need for jubaland and we will use that as our basis for the independence of jubaland as creditable partner for the regional states Ethiopia and Kenya

Jubaland would be like Switzerland a neutral ground that separates major powers like switzerland does for france, Germany and Italy and in jubaland`s case it would separate, Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia with which it shares borders with.

:stylin: somalia is going according to plan
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May Allah bless Jubbaland and its diverse population. :up:
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