On Hyenas and the Pedantic Dogma of Hyper-literalism

[Leftist]

Eating hyena meat is halal. So we're told.

You might wonder: "What the flip? Hyenas are filthy disgusting disease-ridden carnivore-scavengers. Isn't it haram to eat beasts with fangs. How can it possibly be halal to eat it?"

Thats when they whip out the hadiths and sit back with a self-satisfied smirk, as if they've solved world-hunger.

The very real possibility that this hadiith might be daciif or mowduuc does not even factor in their thinking. As long as it's in Bukhari and Muslim and as long it has the seal of approval of their muriid/shaykh/macalin, it's gold.

Who is "they" ? They are the hyper-literalists. Over the past few decades, there has been a wave of hyper-literalist dogma sweeping across the Muslim world. Some people might think hyperliteralism is a Talafi/Saudi phenomenon. It isn't. Hyper-literalist dogma cuts across a wide swathe of madhabs and ideaologies. The Sufi who insists on drinking the urine and eating the snot/booger/phelgm of his muriid does so because he believes that the Companions used to drink the urine of Nabiga. And he has hadiith to back him. The Talafi who believes the fat and decadent Arab Stooges of the Khaliij are legitimate rulers justifies his position with hand-picked ahaadiith. Meel fog ha aadin. Right here on Somali-Net, we have supposedly educated Somalis(Murax Al-Madkhali & YungFresh Al-Talafi) that were vehemently opposed to kacdoon'ka Shacbiga in Masar. Why? Because the Blessed Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia gave a royal order to it's Blessed Scholars to issue a Blessed Fatwa that condemns revolting against tyrannical rulers and makes it haram. (It is Haram to revolt against the Blessed Ruler Husni Mubarak! Anybody who does so is a Khawaarij! And the Khawaarij are the Dogs of Hell-Fire!)

I wish I was joking. Sadly tho, this cray shid is daily reality.

Among the greatest hits of hyper-literalism:

- The world is flat. Science be damned. (Shaykh Bin Baz, although he supposedly recanted from this position)

- Grown men can become mahram to grown women by..ah..er...this is kinda akward.ah..er.by being breast-fed.

- Slavery is 100% halal. Anybody who doubts that is gaal.

- Sexual slavery is also halal. When a guest comes to visit you, you can give him one of your slave-girls so that she can provide him comfort at night (but but but, yaa fadhiilatu shaykh, how is this different from the Greco-Roman sex orgies? "Are you questioning the deen, my son? Don't be a heretic. All the Saxaaba used to have slave-girls. The Great Caliph Haroon Rashiid had 4000 slave-girls."

- Little girls can be married as soon as they menestruae (but yaa shaykh, what if she menustrates at 8 years old, are you saying it is halal to marry her off? "Yes" What about 7? "Age doesn't matter, as long she menstruates, she's fair game."

As you can see, hyper-literalism is defined by one overarching quality: irrationality. Yes, there are plenty of teh stoopid, plenty of "Da fuq" moments, but more than anything else, hyperliteralist dogma is defined by the proud refusal to reason. For a hyperliteralist, whether he/she is a Talafi-Madkhli or a Dancing Sufi or a Angry Extremist, not reasoning and not thinking and not questioning, is a source of pride. Which is compete and total BS. In the Qur'an and in the Ahaadeeth, we are constantly exhorted and urged to think, to ponder, to ruminate, and to reason.

But no no no, don't tell that to a hyperliteralist. Don't bring scientific evidence to a hyperliteralist. To a hyperliteralist, the names Newton, Einstein, & Oppenheimer mean only one thing: "Jew, Jew, and Jew...ma yahoodi baa wax ii sheegaayo?" As long as a hyper-literalist has a cherrypicked taken-out-context hadith and a fatwa from a corrupt cleric on a tyrant's payroll, hot damn, he's on top of the world, fortified by the zeal of certitude.

This irrational madness has got to end, or the Muslim world will always be enveloped in ignorance & takhaluf.

Rag'na space exploration bay ku jiraan oo Mars iyo Jupiter bay guriyo ka dhisaayaan; rag'na waxay debate-gareynaayaan, serious and fierce debate weliba, in la dhuuqi karo naasaha dumar'ka sidaa muxram ugu noqotid.

(triple face-palm, for when one face-palm isn't enough)

[Enlightened~Sista]

Interesting read.

[gurey25]

subxanullah again another brilliant post.

but i am forced to ask again, why this confusing western title.
Leftist?

what do you mean by leftist?

[Alphanumeric]

You have to be my favourite commie, ever.

[gurey25]

i see alpha is impressed too..
i sense a great deal of knowledge, thats why i am eager to pick his brain,

[Alphanumeric]

Where do I apply for an internship?

[TeAmo]

It's haram to speak out against your leader Are you even Muslim? This article is disgusting although I agreed with a few bits and pieces. it sounds like your purposely trying to make the deen look bad

[TeAmo]

And keep the beloved sheikh of Islam Ibn baaz (Rahumullah) out if this filthy article of yours

[professorCadaan]

yesss meating hyenas is pure halal according to imam shafi and imam ahmed hambal , also somali scholar sheik umal gave a huge talk in kenya in which he gave green light to eat warabes so lets enjoy this meat on Eid inshallah i cant wait to eat this macaan meat

[FAH1223]

It's haram to speak out against your leader Are you even Muslim? This article is disgusting although I agreed with a few bits and pieces. it sounds like your purposely trying to make the deen look bad

Not really.

You been conditioned to stay quiet when a leader oppresses you.

[SultanOrder]

Eating hyena meat is halal. So we're told.

You might wonder: "What the flip? Hyenas are filthy disgusting disease-ridden carnivore-scavengers. Isn't it haram to eat beasts with fangs. How can it possibly be halal to eat it?"
Where do you get that it is haram to eat beasts with fangs? Oh you whip out a hadith too, so what is the difference between you too?
Thats when they whip out the hadiths and sit back with a self-satisfied smirk, as if they've solved world-hunger.
Wait hold up they are claiming to solve world hunger with hyena meat?
The very real possibility that this hadiith might be daciif or mowduuc does not even factor in their thinking. As long as it's in Bukhari and Muslim and as long it has the seal of approval of their muriid/shaykh/macalin, it's gold.
But aren't Bukhari and Muslim not suppose to have daciiff or mowduuc hadith, isn't that the whole reason what they sent out to do?
Who is "they" ? They are the hyper-literalists. Over the past few decades, there has been a wave of hyper-literalist dogma sweeping across the Muslim world. Some people might think hyperliteralism is a Talafi/Saudi phenomenon. It isn't. Hyper-literalist dogma cuts across a wide swathe of madhabs and ideaologies. The Sufi who insists on drinking the urine and eating the snot/booger/phelgm of his muriid does so because he believes that the Companions used to drink the urine of Nabiga. And he has hadiith to back him. The Talafi who believes the fat and decadent Arab Stooges of the Khaliij are legitimate rulers justifies his position with hand-picked ahaadiith. Meel fog ha aadin. Right here on Somali-Net, we have supposedly educated Somalis(Murax Al-Madkhali & YungFresh Al-Talafi) that were vehemently opposed to kacdoon'ka Shacbiga in Masar. Why? Because the Blessed Royal Kingdom of Saudi Arabia gave a royal order to it's Blessed Scholars to issue a Blessed Fatwa that condemns revolting against tyrannical rulers and makes it haram. (It is Haram to revolt against the Blessed Ruler Husni Mubarak! Anybody who does so is a Khawaarij! And the Khawaarij are the Dogs of Hell-Fire!)
So you are against making claims and justifying them with the only basis of justification which hadith to what the companions did or did not do. Or are you against the possibility that some sahaba did drink the urine of the Rasul scw? Or are you against the fact that people might disagree with you on what is the best course of action is?
I wish I was joking. Sadly tho, this cray shid is daily reality.

Among the greatest hits of hyper-literalism:

- The world is flat. Science be damned. (Shaykh Bin Baz, although he supposedly recanted from this position)

- Grown men can become mahram to grown women by..ah..er...this is kinda akward.ah..er.by being breast-fed.

- Slavery is 100% halal. Anybody who doubts that is gaal.

- Sexual slavery is also halal. When a guest comes to visit you, you can give him one of your slave-girls so that she can provide him comfort at night (but but but, yaa fadhiilatu shaykh, how is this different from the Greco-Roman sex orgies? "Are you questioning the deen, my son? Don't be a heretic. All the Saxaaba used to have slave-girls. The Great Caliph Haroon Rashiid had 4000 slave-girls."

- Little girls can be married as soon as they menestruae (but yaa shaykh, what if she menustrates at 8 years old, are you saying it is halal to marry her off? "Yes" What about 7? "Age doesn't matter, as long she menstruates, she's fair game."

As you can see, hyper-literalism is defined by one overarching quality: irrationality. Yes, there are plenty of teh stoopid, plenty of "Da fuq" moments, but more than anything else, hyperliteralist dogma is defined by the proud refusal to reason. For a hyperliteralist, whether he/she is a Talafi-Madkhli or a Dancing Sufi or a Angry Extremist, not reasoning and not thinking and not questioning, is a source of pride. Which is compete and total BS. In the Qur'an and in the Ahaadeeth, we are constantly exhorted and urged to think, to ponder, to ruminate, and to reason.
Listen my friend, I think the problem is not that they are unwilling to reason, but you guys just don't agree on how to reason. It's like a windows program on Apple, just won't work.
But no no no, don't tell that to a hyperliteralist. Don't bring scientific evidence to a hyperliteralist. To a hyperliteralist, the names Newton, Einstein, & Oppenheimer mean only one thing: "Jew, Jew, and Jew...ma yahoodi baa wax ii sheegaayo?" As long as a hyper-literalist has a cherrypicked taken-out-context hadith and a fatwa from a corrupt cleric on a tyrant's payroll, hot damn, he's on top of the world, fortified by the zeal of certitude.
You know, good arguments don't stand on logical fallacies such as tainting the well. It's like if they said all you wanted to do was fornicate, drink, and do homesexual acts, a bit extreme eh
This irrational madness has got to end, or the Muslim world will always be enveloped in ignorance & takhaluf.

Rag'na space exploration bay ku jiraan oo Mars iyo Jupiter bay guriyo ka dhisaayaan; rag'na waxay debate-gareynaayaan, serious and fierce debate weliba, in la dhuuqi karo naasaha dumar'ka sidaa muxram ugu noqotid.
Yes, Rag ba mars qashin u dirayo, but they have 50 million under the poverty level, 1% controlling 95% of the resources, and trillions of dollars in debt.
(triple face-palm, for when one face-palm isn't enough)

If hyper-literalists are irrational, over general, and mischaracterize, maybe you are one too.

[SahanGalbeed]

Maanta waaxad ina leedahay

To a hyperliteralist, the names Newton, Einstein, & Oppenheimer mean only one thing: "Jew, Jew, and Jew...ma yahoodi baa wax ii sheegaayo?"

shalay na waxaad lahayd

Israel's number one ally is and has been Jordan, thanks to the Blessed Ahlul Bayt leadership of the Shareefs of Makkah

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waxa la yidha dadka caynkaas ah miyaan idiin sheega anigu ?
Sophist :One skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation.
Waxaan u maleeya anigu Maddog aka Voltage baad wax isku tihin
Ilaahow aqliga ha inaga qaadin , amiin

[TeAmo]

It's haram to speak out against your leader Are you even Muslim? This article is disgusting although I agreed with a few bits and pieces. it sounds like your purposely trying to make the deen look bad

Not really.

You been conditioned to stay quiet when a leader oppresses you.

Yes thanks for the correction we are advised to make dua against them if they are oppressive not to start world war 3. Look at all the Muslim nations who spoke out against their leaders and fought against them what have they achieved look at Syria, Somalia, Libya etc what had trying to get rid of the leader done except make things worse this is why we have to listen to the advise of the scholars and the prophet. There is haq in everything they tell us.

[Enlightened~Sista]

So you are against making claims and justifying them with the only basis of justification which hadith to what the companions did or did not do. Or are you against the possibility that some sahaba did drink the urine of the Rasul scw? Or are you against the fact that people might disagree with you on what is the best course of action is?

Okay this is getting too much to take. First Shabab introducing hyena meat to Somali people's palate and now this? ^

[SultanOrder]

It's haram to speak out against your leader Are you even Muslim? This article is disgusting although I agreed with a few bits and pieces. it sounds like your purposely trying to make the deen look bad

Not really.

You been conditioned to stay quiet when a leader oppresses you.

Yes thanks for the correction we are advised to make dua against them if they are oppressive not to start world war 3. Look at all the Muslim nations who spoke out against their leaders and fought against them what have they achieved look at Syria, Somalia, Libya etc what had trying to get rid of the leader done except make things worse this is why we have to listen to the advise of the scholars and the prophet. There is haq in everything they tell us.

Which scholars walal? Because there are plenty of Scholars against Syria, Libya, Yemen etc.


E-sistah, it happened, and according to the hadiths, these sahaba got health benefits. Now it wasn't something widespread or encouraged by the prophet scw.