Who dares to call them kafirs? Who!?

[ZubeirAwal]

Ya Allah how i wish to be with a group like this, many on this forum would not hesitate to make takfir and say these brothers are kafirs,
because of them crying and sending salawat to the nabi (saw), seeing the brother at 0:20 crying made me emotional.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

It depends weither they call on dead people for help.
There is ijma amongst the muslims that whoever calls on dead ppl for help is quilty of shirk, becomes mushrik.

So this also means the rafidha and the worshippers of "sufi awliya" are mushrikeen just like christian polytheists.

It is not allowed for us to pray in their temples, to eat their meat or to greet them with islamic greetings.

[ZubeirAwal]

What are you talking about, you assume one is a grave-worshipper the moment he says he's a sufi?, like as if you are Al-Hakam? the judge?, you don't know these men in the video yet you are hasty to degenerate them and call them mushriks? Last time i checked, i visited the qubuur of Sheykh Al-Kownayni outside hargeisa and all i did was recite sura fatixa and the grave keeper sprayed some catar on the kiswas of quran around the room, i told this to my macalin at the time and he said that makes you
a mushrik? Your a selfish people who are so delusional you believe you can judge every muslim , woe to you, followers of a new version of islam that was formed in the 17th century with the help of british spys, whilst sufis are traditional muslims who's traditions go back to the time of the aslaf.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Kid, all iam saying is in line with quran al karim.
Calling upon others than Allah is shirk, period. No but but.

However there are different groups of sufis. Some are so far muslims but with bidcah ways.

[ZubeirAwal]

Kid, all iam saying is in line with quran al karim.
Calling upon others than Allah is shirk, period. No but but.

However there are different groups of sufis. Some are so far muslims but with bidcah ways.

Calling upon the nabi is not shirk, he is indeed Shaficulla and asking him in tawwasul to ask Allah to forgive you, you'll be forgiven because of the sake of him asking Allah, and Allah loves him more then anything else.

Now, i'd ask you, since your ignorant ways against the true Ahlul-Sunna wal-jamaaca,

What is your opinion on the sunni muslims above who in-between Casr and Maghrib do nothing but praise Allah and his prophet,
what do you think?

[Cherine]

Looks great, thanks for posting. Abubakr, excessive argumentation is not good for the soul. Don't bother with the hotheads; if they bother you dhag ha u dhigin oo ha u juuqin.

[ZubeirAwal]

Looks great, thanks for posting. Abubakr, excessive argumentation is not good for the soul. Don't bother with the hotheads; if they bother you dhag ha u dhigin oo ha u juuqin.

Thx for the advice, i'm dying to look for a full version off this vid, damn i need to visit khartoum or orduman in the next few years. Waking up in a friday morning then doing hadra what better way is there to live

[Cherine]

How come you didn't go to that event?

[ZubeirAwal]

How come you didn't go to that event?

What event? one thing i'm lucky for is where i live in a 2- mile radiuis away from my home is the only qadariyya sufi masjid probably in all west london.

[*Nobleman*]

Ahlul bidca

kullu bid'atin dalala wa kullu dalalatin fin-naar

[ZubeirAwal]

Whatever makes you sleep at night, delusional kelab.

Your ilk originated in Najd, the very land the prophet said to be the land of where the fitna will emerge and the qarnush-shaydaan.

That fitna is the fitna of wahabism, and saudi nationalism, brought by 2 tribes, Banu Xaneef and Banu Tamiim, same tribes that pledged alliegance to
Musaylima Kathab. And they also have done bid'as , they went against Allah by establishing alliances with the kufar.
They established a monarchy where their family has the rights of land of hijaz and that even if one says this land brought to my grandfather
they would say it belongs to the king, thats another bidac.


As to what the men are doing in the video, it's not bida, there are hadiths in imam ahmad saying the xabashis would dance and praise the prophet
infront of him and aisha where he would not stop them but let them continue, and as them doing this while he was alive it closes the case
of it not being bidac i.e a practice started after the life of the prophet (saw).


Ali said: I visited the Prophet with Ja`far (ibn Abi Talib and Zayd (ibn Haritha). The Prophet said to Zayd: "You are my freedman" (anta mawlay), whereupon Zayd began to hop on one leg around the prophet (hajala). The Prophet then said to Ja`far: "You resemble me in my creation and my manners" (anta ashbahta khalqi wa khuluqi), whereupon Ja`far began to hop behind Zayd.

The Prophet then said to me: "You pertain to me and I pertain to you" (anta minni wa ana minka) whereupon I began to hop behind Ja`far.




[Ahmad, Musnad 1:108 (#860).]

There are tons of more sources and narrations so rest yourself and don't bother arguing, for that is what only is the sole purpose of your aqeedah, to tell every muslim they are upon bidac and they should follow them and go to hell!? get the hell outta here.

[*Nobleman*]

Abuukar, Instead of your emotional ranting, find me one source that suggests that the Prophet PBUH ever condoned this type of acts and wailing on his behalf? in that case this still stands:

kullu bid'atin dalala wa kullu dalalatin fin-naar

Alhamdulilah most Somalis have moved away from these practices.

[Cherine]

Abuubakr, this is a great article; there are ahadith relevant to this topic. It's written by Hadith Sciences lecturer at the The College of Sharia and Islamic Studies, University of Sharjah, U.A.E.

http://www.alssunnah.com/main/articles. ... le_no=2848

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Calling on prophet Muhammad PBUH "Ya Muhammad madad" is shirk.
Kid, fear Allah and do not worship anyone besides Allah swt.
Ask only from Allah.

Sufis who do not call on others besides Allah swt are still quilty of bidcah, every bidcah leads to misguidance and every astray to hellfire.

[Hyperactive]

God asked us direct to ask him. Alhamdullilah, no middle man to Allah swt. if you want love prophet, follow his sunnah. how hard it is if you ask to ask only Allah and ask Allah to sali 3ala prophet asw?

وَإِذَا سَأَلَكَ عِبَادِي عَنِّي فَإِنِّي قَرِيبٌ أُجِيبُ دَعْوَةَ الدَّاعِ إِذَا دَعَانِ فَلْيَسْتَجِيبُوا لِي وَلْيُؤْمِنُوا بِي لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْشُدُونَ
When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way

قُلِ ادْعُوا اللَّهَ أَوِ ادْعُوا الرَّحْمَٰنَ أَيًّا مَا تَدْعُوا فَلَهُ الْأَسْمَاءُ الْحُسْنَىٰ وَلَا تَجْهَرْ بِصَلَاتِكَ وَلَا تُخَافِتْ بِهَا وَابْتَغِ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا
Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between."

اللهم كره الينا كفر وفسوق والعصيان