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From whence does the Somali government derive its legitimacy

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:00 am
by union
The President and The Federal Government of the United States derive legitimacy from the written laws and constitution, which enjoy a great deal of reverence. I wonder where the fledgling government of Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud derives it's legitimacy? It can't be from the pitiful military who cannot so much fight a single street battle without supervision by Ugandan mercenaries, and it can't be from the unelected legislature renown for its corruption, or from all these elders who are becoming increasingly irrelevant as their lust for power and influence overshadows their commitment to the well being average Farah and Xalimo from their clan, or from all these broke ass government ministries unable to exert any type of meaningful influence outside of their doorstep. Sure Somalia has some written laws and a new constitution, but are these trusted and valued by the people? I doubt it, because the people had zero input in their crafting and little trust in those crafting them. I seriously can't think of anything the authority of the President lies on except the hope of Somalis for a better tomorrow and a more stable today. Is that enough though? I used to think those who advocated religious rule mad and irrational, but as I reflect on the Somali people and their mindset I cannot help but shake the feeling that the only authority respected is that of Allah, and that the only government which will feel legitimate to the average Farax and Xalimo is one in which God is central. So then, how can we establish a government which is forward thinking and potent while harnessing the mass religious devotion of Somalis to lend it legitimacy? Maybe the Somali government can look to Saudi Arabia (eh, KSA is not really forward thinking but it's managed to use religion to prop up a stable government) as an example and assemble a shura council of leading clerics (handsomely paid from foreign aid funds) to give blessing to every initiative undertaken by the government, especially those prone to controversy such as banning FGM and Khat, while also denouncing all the opponents of progress as the goons of the gaalo?

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:20 am
by eliteSomali
I do agree with you for the most part. However, what you're proposing is a system based on hypocrisy for the ruling elites of KSA are hypocritical if not focking crazy. They mis-contextualize the religion and make unnecessary verdicts and implementations. These folks are concerned with ridiculous shyt as making sure women stay virgins, banning women from driving and as if those are not enough, making cities entirely inhabited by women.

Either Separate mosque and state clearly and work with that or establish a true sharia rule. If these two fail then the third way and my favorite of all is dictatorship.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:24 am
by InvisibleHand
The Somali government derives its legitimacy from the millions of Somalis who are sick of war and statelessness. Legitimacy comes from the consent and support of the people.

Are you trying to tell me the average Somalis back home don't support this government?

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:50 am
by AbdiWahab252
Beesha Calamka !

Other ones that failed to have Beesha Calamka's support were not considered legitimate i.e. Salbalar, UIC, etc.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:03 am
by grandpakhalif
AbdiWahab252 wrote:Beesha Calamka !

Other ones that failed to have Beesha Calamka's support were not considered legitimate i.e. Salbalar, UIC, etc.
You forgot Beesha Calaamka's war against Gen. Caydiid and SNA.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:48 am
by original dervish
I`ll be watching this new president closely.
If hasn't began to clear al shabaab from his home areas by the new year, I`m withdrawing my support. :D

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:33 pm
by Khalid Ali
AbdiWahab252 wrote:Beesha Calamka !

Other ones that failed to have Beesha Calamka's support were not considered legitimate i.e. Salbalar, UIC, etc.

Abdiwahaab is correct the international community gave the new government the full legitimacy to operate in the country they are taking baby steps and have now a new constitution.Its ironic the elders approved the mps and than the mps approved the constitution all done in less than 2 weeks the approval was forced by the international community the state department and the EU made sure that no discussion took place when approving the new constitution. What gave this government more legitimacy in 20 years time from the Somali its self is the president was elected inside the country which its self is a success.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:50 pm
by original dervish
yeah..... but he needs to start work immediately.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:39 pm
by Garuun
from the international clan aka the int community

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:13 pm
by union
AbdiWahab252 wrote:Beesha Calamka !

Other ones that failed to have Beesha Calamka's support were not considered legitimate i.e. Salbalar, UIC, etc.
Chief Crimson Lips had Beesha Calamka support and his government wasn't recognized as legitimate by most Somalis. At best he was viewed as a puppet of the Ugandans.

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:19 pm
by union
InvisibleHand wrote:The Somali government derives its legitimacy from the millions of Somalis who are sick of war and statelessness. Legitimacy comes from the consent and support of the people.

Are you trying to tell me the average Somalis back home don't support this government?

Would any government, regardless of how it arises, enjoy instant legitimacy so long as it promised a better life for people?

Re: From whence does the Somali government derive its legiti

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:36 pm
by Shirib
union wrote:
InvisibleHand wrote:The Somali government derives its legitimacy from the millions of Somalis who are sick of war and statelessness. Legitimacy comes from the consent and support of the people.

Are you trying to tell me the average Somalis back home don't support this government?

Would any government, regardless of how it arises, enjoy instant legitimacy so long as it promised a better life for people?
Those who can create peace and stability after chaos get accepted even if they are crazy, it has happened time and time again from Hitler and Mussolini to the Taliban.

If it wasn't for the International community the ICU would have captured the whole of Somalia.